Post by fastwalker on Nov 4, 2004 13:39:11 GMT -5
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SOME EDUCATIONAL THOUGHT
Hey Guys, thanks for taking a look. First, I’d like to say, that information contained herein represents my own opinion . I have, on occasion, written some “musings” simply to get things off my chest and to “recap” the day’s events.
This musing will be different, in that it will be designed for the Q & A section in which we have attempted to provide questions and solutions for anyone seeking information.. OK, with the preliminaries out of the way, I ‘d like to discuss Market Makers and their methods of manipulations.
Now bear with me on this, I will on occasion move off on a tangent and bring in other stuff, but I hope that since I’m winging this, it will all tie together and make some sense to more than just me…<br>
OK, Who or what is a Market Maker? Yeah, I know, each of you guys have a different and often colorful description of what an MM is.
Well here are some real “official” version relevant to who and what the Market Makers (MM)
are:
One of the major differences between The NASDAQ Stock Market and other major markets in the U.S. is the NASDAQ structure of competing Market Makers, in which there are approximately 250 member firms that act as OTCBB Market Makers. We can’t win against such odds, if they go bad.
Market Makers are NASD member firms that use their own capital, research, retail and or systems resources to represent a stock and compete with each other to buy and sell the stocks they represent. (That is an interesting notion…they compete with each other)
Each Market Maker competes for customer order flow by displaying buy and sell quotations for a guaranteed number of shares. Once an order is received, the Market Maker will immediately purchase for or sell from its own inventory, or seek the other side of the trade until it is executed, often in a matter of seconds”<br>
Now that last sentence is the one that makes you go mummy! Granted that is their “real” function, but most associated with CMKX, know the Mms for something different than their PR “spin” We know them for Naked Short Selling (NSS), which is the illegal practice of short selling shares that haven't been borrowed or do not exist at all, .we see them or define them as “air shares.”<br>
Why do we feel that NSS is taking place with our stock? There are various reasons, some are “gut” check reasons from investors who have the experience to see such activity and others, rely on “hard data,” to support their contention.
Often as investors, we follow various activities or trends, in order to estimate what the market and a stock in particular may do. Since we do not have access to or would deal in “insider trade” information, we have to rely on “predictors.
Therefore, if we as average investors utilize such tools, it stands to reason that market makers must use similar data gathering tools, to predict activity on the market, of course. Because they are professionals, we can also assume their tools are more sophisticated than those being used by you and me, the average investors.
However, as I pointed out, since we do follow activity and trends, we are often suspicious of activity which may indicate some type of “insiders “ information that may demonstrate a "notable" reaction by an adjustment of the depths of the pps quotes.
Granted this activity, say for the NASDAQ and Exchange-listed stocks quoted, are relatively stable for NASDAQ stocks than OTC, that only means we can more easily see the (PPS) start to deteriorate after the influx of some possible “insider” trading begins, which isn't as notable versus the often volatile activity associated with the OTC, in which wild "swing" of the pps are more common.
Now we have to also ask, do market makers and specialists in the marketplace detect the presence of insider trading?
If so, how do quoted bid-asked spreads and market depth react to the onset of insider trading? Do insiders earn abnormal returns from illegal trades?
How safe are they in the knowledge that they will make money from such trades and not be detected by others?
Well to ask if these guys can detect the presence of the insiders and avoid or capitalize on that activity, is kind of like asking a harden criminal, if he “knows” the methodology of criminals within his specialize field of endeavor?
Point being, they (MM)know, even if they do not participate, from experience what to look for regarding insider activity.
Since it is a given, they (MMS) are for the most part, specialist in the market place, within that specialized environment, "given” their routine usage of that arena.
They can, for all intents and purposes, be viewed from any “reasonable” person‘s definitions / expectations, as to their qualifications and ability to "detect" such insider activity and ignore, move off, or participate.
Given the reasonable person's expectation, MMs are highly specialized and “knowledgeable” individuals on many “routine” and or unusual market related activities, of which “insider“ activity could Be considered as one.
When they are engaged in such activity, one can easily assume they can and may be "purposefully" driven by that data / knowledge of same, relevant to their own individual performance and the magnitude of it's impact, regarding their usage and or avoidance.
more....
SOME EDUCATIONAL THOUGHT
Hey Guys, thanks for taking a look. First, I’d like to say, that information contained herein represents my own opinion . I have, on occasion, written some “musings” simply to get things off my chest and to “recap” the day’s events.
This musing will be different, in that it will be designed for the Q & A section in which we have attempted to provide questions and solutions for anyone seeking information.. OK, with the preliminaries out of the way, I ‘d like to discuss Market Makers and their methods of manipulations.
Now bear with me on this, I will on occasion move off on a tangent and bring in other stuff, but I hope that since I’m winging this, it will all tie together and make some sense to more than just me…<br>
OK, Who or what is a Market Maker? Yeah, I know, each of you guys have a different and often colorful description of what an MM is.
Well here are some real “official” version relevant to who and what the Market Makers (MM)
are:
One of the major differences between The NASDAQ Stock Market and other major markets in the U.S. is the NASDAQ structure of competing Market Makers, in which there are approximately 250 member firms that act as OTCBB Market Makers. We can’t win against such odds, if they go bad.
Market Makers are NASD member firms that use their own capital, research, retail and or systems resources to represent a stock and compete with each other to buy and sell the stocks they represent. (That is an interesting notion…they compete with each other)
Each Market Maker competes for customer order flow by displaying buy and sell quotations for a guaranteed number of shares. Once an order is received, the Market Maker will immediately purchase for or sell from its own inventory, or seek the other side of the trade until it is executed, often in a matter of seconds”<br>
Now that last sentence is the one that makes you go mummy! Granted that is their “real” function, but most associated with CMKX, know the Mms for something different than their PR “spin” We know them for Naked Short Selling (NSS), which is the illegal practice of short selling shares that haven't been borrowed or do not exist at all, .we see them or define them as “air shares.”<br>
Why do we feel that NSS is taking place with our stock? There are various reasons, some are “gut” check reasons from investors who have the experience to see such activity and others, rely on “hard data,” to support their contention.
Often as investors, we follow various activities or trends, in order to estimate what the market and a stock in particular may do. Since we do not have access to or would deal in “insider trade” information, we have to rely on “predictors.
Therefore, if we as average investors utilize such tools, it stands to reason that market makers must use similar data gathering tools, to predict activity on the market, of course. Because they are professionals, we can also assume their tools are more sophisticated than those being used by you and me, the average investors.
However, as I pointed out, since we do follow activity and trends, we are often suspicious of activity which may indicate some type of “insiders “ information that may demonstrate a "notable" reaction by an adjustment of the depths of the pps quotes.
Granted this activity, say for the NASDAQ and Exchange-listed stocks quoted, are relatively stable for NASDAQ stocks than OTC, that only means we can more easily see the (PPS) start to deteriorate after the influx of some possible “insider” trading begins, which isn't as notable versus the often volatile activity associated with the OTC, in which wild "swing" of the pps are more common.
Now we have to also ask, do market makers and specialists in the marketplace detect the presence of insider trading?
If so, how do quoted bid-asked spreads and market depth react to the onset of insider trading? Do insiders earn abnormal returns from illegal trades?
How safe are they in the knowledge that they will make money from such trades and not be detected by others?
Well to ask if these guys can detect the presence of the insiders and avoid or capitalize on that activity, is kind of like asking a harden criminal, if he “knows” the methodology of criminals within his specialize field of endeavor?
Point being, they (MM)know, even if they do not participate, from experience what to look for regarding insider activity.
Since it is a given, they (MMS) are for the most part, specialist in the market place, within that specialized environment, "given” their routine usage of that arena.
They can, for all intents and purposes, be viewed from any “reasonable” person‘s definitions / expectations, as to their qualifications and ability to "detect" such insider activity and ignore, move off, or participate.
Given the reasonable person's expectation, MMs are highly specialized and “knowledgeable” individuals on many “routine” and or unusual market related activities, of which “insider“ activity could Be considered as one.
When they are engaged in such activity, one can easily assume they can and may be "purposefully" driven by that data / knowledge of same, relevant to their own individual performance and the magnitude of it's impact, regarding their usage and or avoidance.
more....