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Post by fastwalker on Nov 17, 2004 21:28:34 GMT -5
:)I have some views on this type of letter...but, to be fair, I would like to hear what the board as to say....is it necessary, or is it simply venting? From another bpard.. To those shareholders who find they agree with what I write below, I encourage you to send your own copy of the following letter to Urban, modified to your own situation and signed by yourself. Don't let those who see only thru rose colored glasses discourage you from saying what you really feel. Enough of the games being played with us. Make your voice heard and let Urban know just how many feel. Send your email to our IR at cmkxir@casavantmining.com An open letter to Urban Casavant I have tried to be as positive as I could be about my investment in CMKX. Many members of Sterling's Classroom say I am too negative. I don't think I am too negative. I think I am realistic and not a naive little lamb being lead to the slaughter. People are tired. They are tired of being strung along with constant unfulfilled proclamations of news this week or the next day, or we're going to the moon, or we struck it rich etc etc. It doesn't matter who led whom to believe what. All that matters is that right now, a lot of shareholders are feeling angry, depressed or despondent. No one wants to feel like that but current events, or lack thereof, leave people with little choice but to feel otherwise. Urban, you leave your shareholders no way to reach you. Emails are never replied to (until recently when Oaks took over as IR). Phone calls are never returned. Nobody knows if you know what is really going thru your shareholder's heads. No one knows if you know how distant you are from us, how much we need to hear from you, and how deafening the silence is. Over 2 thousand people went to the Vegas party and other than the last distraction before the party ended, everyone was feeling good. Oddly enough Urban, a lot of people feel the same way that woman did. She had the right message for you, just didn't deliver it the right way. Don't let her actions prevent you from understanding your shareholder's concerns. Urban, other than those 2 thousand people and whatever number of racing groupies hang out with you at the races, there are 40,000+ more that hear nothing from you. When are we going to hear from you? When are we going to be privy to the Casavant dream. All we hear is excuse after excuse to explain why we can't hear from you. All we hear is unfounded rumors. Your company and this stock have all the classic symptoms of a scam operation. Every day there is silence, which means more and more people begin to believe it is indeed a scam. We need to hear from you. We need more than just a pat on the head and a gentle smack on the tush as you shoo us on our merry way like good little lambs. We need to believe, Urban. We need to believe that we are sitting on a mountain of rich natural resources. We need to believe that we are invested in something that will profoundly change the lives of hundreds of thousands of shareholders, if not millions. We need to believe in your promise that we will be able to take some small profits here and there to pay our bills and to allow ourselves to stay invested. We need to believe in you, Urban. Show us that we can. Ed aka Coinsguy, a shareholder coinsguy @ lycos.com 770-518-4346x111
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Post by bradfrogger on Nov 17, 2004 21:48:11 GMT -5
I think we each have to decide if we feel good about holding on to this stock or not. The guy who wrote the open letter above is, IMO, doubting his investment in a big way. He could have shortened the letter a lot by simply saying, "I'm very close to dumping this stock unless I get some substantive news and soon". The length of it makes it seem like whining to me. Can I relate to how he feels? Of course! I just don't see anything to be gained by actually sending this type of letter or email. JMHO
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Post by kenshin7 on Nov 17, 2004 22:06:51 GMT -5
we are all open to say and express how we feel some people have been in this stock for a very very long time , so this is a natural reaction that many people may feel at this point .
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Post by fastwalker on Nov 17, 2004 22:14:48 GMT -5
;D Two respected opinions...any more? Come on Guys, we are moving toward a new year here, one in which we may need to clarify our positions in the market...let's see what we all think and just as we put a post up to ask andy...lol, a little discussion without rancor wouldn't be bad... I don't have an opinion yet...do but still waiting...
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Post by saturn48021 on Nov 18, 2004 4:15:24 GMT -5
The person truly has the right to vent openly about his investment.Evidently from his letter,he is unhappy with his investment.I believe he is dissatisfied and should of sold his position in the company. We are dealing with a penny stock.Therefore you should be investing money you could afford to loose.If he knew this at the beggining,he should of never got involved. Did he do his homework?He probably overheard someone talking about the stock and how it was going to be big and he bought jumped in.Some people think they can get rich in a few months.You can sometimes but it is rare and a chance. We are dealing with a penny stock which is trying to metamophose into a huge company.Time is figured into this equation in vast amounts and this person can not comprehend.I'm sorry he is frustrated,but this comes with the territory of investing on ones own.
Myself,I have time on myside and I'm sticking around and waiting because I have choosen to invest in a company which is changing.Changes take time and with time will come money.Getting upset with your own choice and writing letters will not rush the situation at hand.
Writing letters will only ease your empatience.
Saturn
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Post by GMN on Nov 18, 2004 6:55:21 GMT -5
I TOTALLY AGREE....THIS IS A TREMENDOUS MASTER PLAN THAT IS BEING ATTACKED FROM ALL FRONTS. I STILL BELIEVE THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE FULL FAITH AND BE PATIENT FOR A BIT LONGER, FOR THE MASTER PLAN TO PLAY OUT, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD REVIEW YOUR POSITION WITH THE COMPANY. I'M NOT SAYING TO DUMP YOUR STOCK BY ANY MEANS, BUT JUST SAYING TO REVIEW YOUR FEELINGS AND TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT THESE GUYS ARE GOING THROUGH. THEY GOT HIT BELOW THE BELT AND ARE REGROUPING A BIT. QUIT LISTENING TO THE BASHERS. MAYBE QUIT CONSTANTLY FOLLOWING THE BOARDS, STEP BACK AWAY FROM IT FOR A WHILE. I AM REALLY AS ANXIOUS AS YOU ARE, BUT JUST TRY TO BE PATIENT. I'M READY FOR A GOOD PR TOO. I AM TIRED OF SEEING MY PORTFOLIO IN THE NEGATIVE, BUT LIKE ANYTHING GOOD IT TAKES TIME FOR IT TO BE THAT MUCH SWEETER. I DON'T WANT URBAN TO SEE US AS PAINS IN THE BUTT, HE OBVIOUSLY HAS ENOUGH ON HIS PLATE. IT'S LIKE A FINE WINE, IT JUST TAKES TIME.
JUST MY OPINION OF COURSE.
FROM I'M ANXIOUS TOO.
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Post by ToddCT on Nov 18, 2004 7:25:48 GMT -5
I do not think that letter will get any response from Urban or anyone else at all. He probably gets a hundred of the smae letters every day, from frustrated investors looking for an "edge"
No information should be released over the phone to any investor, it should be given in a formal PR and only given after hours when everyone can read it before the market opens.
CMKX is going to be a great company, but if you can't hold onto the stock for more than 2 years DUMP IT already and stop whining about it not "shooting the moon" or whatever new phrase is out there now.
I do believe in the company, (not so in some of the shootoffs, until I hear more about them) but I do realize that the SEC has a gag order on them and they won't be able to speak for a while now.
Do not expect any PR's for a while it could be a few months even. If they are actually registering for the OTCBB then they could even be in the "Quiet period" of what is it 30 or 60 days before they file. We don't know and will have to wait.
This is just my (as Fastwalker put it) My own Honest Opinion. (or something like that, lol)
Todd
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Post by liquidator on Nov 18, 2004 9:03:32 GMT -5
One thing we have to admit, the management at CMKX definitely knows how to mantain silence, and that can be beneficial to us with respect to where the company is in it's present stage of development. If we had information leaks right now it would mean that integrity doesn't exist within the company.
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Post by Bart on Nov 18, 2004 10:25:48 GMT -5
TEXT ;D ;D
Most know what I have to say about it. If you can not stand the heat. Get out of the kitchen.
;D ;D
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Post by mybetsright on Nov 18, 2004 18:47:53 GMT -5
I would of thought with a brand new IR person, that there would be a stream of info coming. Why hire him if there wasn't. I think we are about to come out of our shell soon, but god it seems like something should have been given to us.
Mybet
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Post by missann on Nov 18, 2004 19:35:36 GMT -5
Iam MissAnn I know how to do what I do,so let Rodger do what he does.
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Post by ck4cmkx on Nov 18, 2004 20:28:49 GMT -5
I agree that Urban needs to communicate with the stockholders. I also believe that some folks on this board get everyones hopes up, creating hyped expectations.... this only serves to get everyone excited. The posting about our real evaluation being .03xxx. After I read I thought that's great, but it really doesn't mean a thing. They may think they are motivating, and trying to make others feel better. But I think they just cause undo frustration. Like most people, i'm not going to lose my shirt if this doesn't work out. but at least I'll try.
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Post by johnnystar on Nov 18, 2004 20:53:29 GMT -5
Regardless of whether you believe in cmkx or not, if anybody is thinking of sending that letter, they need to do some revisions.
It's too direct, with too many specifics per an individual shareholder. Furthermore, the company hasn't ever said "this is happening tomorrow," or anything like that. My rebuttle to this letter would either be to ignore it, as it is one shareholder, or to start my own board about the danger of rumors.
Draft a more formal, friendly letter, inquiring (as it is every shareholder's right to do so) about the o/s structure, valuation, etc., make it shorter, to the point, with less whining and impotent offense, and it would be more effective.
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Post by fastwalker on Nov 18, 2004 21:39:11 GMT -5
Excellent JS, we are getting a good response. I would like to indicate that the letter in question guys, is from another board, it is here merely to provide us with the mindset of these other boards and to see, if there is in fact a need or a desire on our board to craft such a letter to convey our thoughts. I do agree so far, with bits and pieces of each response and I also agree, a letter must be crafter to reflect the sentiments of all shareholders and not a "select" few who may have ordained themselves our guardians...lol Thanks JS and guys..we'll let this puppy stay on the porch for a while, to see if others think it should run with the big dogs..
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Post by reddtee on Nov 19, 2004 18:26:27 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Just a short note to let you all know where I stand. I own 50M shares of CMKX bought some at .0001 all the way to .0003--but most at .0002. Of my money I have $10000 invested. Now if some of you have lot more than that invested then I can see your frustration --you have way too much especially if you cannot afford to tie up that much money over a long haul. Therefore you hate to sell due to taking a loss which again is frustrating. To me this is a long shot which I hope will pay off but if it doesn't I am still making money in the long market on blue chips that has already made up for this investment. I am not selling regardless of how long it takes. I suggest to all to forget and hold on but get your minds on other means of making money on other stocks--if this pans out you will be happy if not you have already got divested interest elsewhere. Now what can happen --well- this company will either go bankrupt----or sit idle for a long time --or do a reverse split to end shorts forever or like some have said to the MOOn. Who knows? Well someone inside knows and ain't telling good or bAd. So I recommend to quit crying--threatening--- or whatever you may be doing and get on with your investments elsewhere and if you hold on to CMKX all fine and good if not well --at least you got bAck some of your investment and put it elsewhere. Let me tell you one thing---- no one on this board outside of insider knows what is going on --if they do then CMKX is in big trouble with the SEC. Now you all know that there is no way that the owners are going to get on this message board and tell you what is going to happen first..its illegal with out first announcing it to the SEC and the world. So please do not take this the wrong way if you are one of those who has all his money riding on this--shame on you if you are one that does. Lets just all back off and let what ever happens --happen --if you have stock you will not be left in the cold.--good or bad-- ok? IMO we should hear something soon----but hell --like everyone else I voice my feelings only---I do not know what is going to happen either. But good or bad i am betting before the year is out we will hear something. <Thought> Would you want to announce profits this late in the year or wait til after the first of January? Have a great evening and watch some TV hehehehe.
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