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HOW DID THE DTC GET OVER 500 BILLION IN CERTS
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ANYONE? come on it's easy.
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they boughtem
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they bought them from who and for how much. The funny thing is that the double cover theory was made fun of for soooo long, but was infact right. The DTC was the first to cover in my opinion, and they cover with our share raises that were surrendered almost immediately. And phxgold, since you are here a question. Those share raises that were surrendered , around five hundred billion are part of the issued and outstanding right, which alone proves the naked short already in my opinion.
And I keep posting the info from george burns when he was a pumper, the run ups on gemm and ucad equaled 590 billion shares of cmkx, wow look at the numbers we are at and the shares to be added.
if company insiders profited from those share raises, even if they bought them back, that is fraud and there would have already been a warrant out for some arrest I would think. Where is the warrant for urban and john edwards, hmmm. Granny's sock drawer was the DTC, the rest of the shares got retired or there will be trouble from what I hear. If you raise a public companies shares for the sole purpose of making money for insiders that is fraud.
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ill say it again you cannot find a single issuance to cede and co. directly from the company to raise capital. since 2002 before uc came along. see. every shares issued had a name on it. every share issuance can be traced to a certificate issued to a person not to cede. from start to finish. every share started in someones hands directly from the company in cert form. either the sec ignored thousands if not hundreds of thousands of violations of rule 144 or something else is happening. Pedro posted some info about the share releases from the a/s increase to 800b but quickly removed it as it proved the shares were issued to specific individuals in cert form in canada. and not dumped by the co on the market. but that proved something other than his point. once realized it was removed quickly. much like the actions of the dtcc on their site.
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phxgold, those surrendered shares go somewhere, it is the dtc isn't it when they are surrenderd. That makes sense if deals were done way back when we caught them.
And the second question is those shares on pedro's list that were surrendered are part of the issued and outstanding right.
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Where does it say the DTC has 500 billion in certs?
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stockrigh, they have been filling requests for months from the ta, they are now out or just about out. It was quite convenient they ended up with that huge amount of shares to cover the first part of the cert pull isn't it.
simple question for anyone, if you surrender a cert where does it go?
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yes they would become part of the outstanding but who holds those shares is the main question.
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phxgold actually your last post proves the naked short as at the time of revocation we had an issued and outstanding of 703 billion, making the real o/s what most thouht 200 billion or less, end of story. The short is already proven in my opinion, and for thos that say there is no deal then why did the o/s raise to 703 billion. The last time the two were the same, per andy and this is no surprise, was 200 billion.
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phxgold, please tell me I am a dummy or 703 billion issued and oustanding at the time of revocation, minus the surrendered shares of just say around 500 billion leaves the oustanding shares at the time of revocation at 200 billion. Either I am wrong or the short is more than proven.
hmmmmmmmm! I am waiting in anticipation of finding out whether or not I am a dummy, I guess I am not smart enough to figure it out for myself.
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sorry im at work pts prevail. yes you are correct.
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Gus and Phxgold - okay, so UC has been selling shares to the DTC to cover. Obviously, the DTC has been paying UC for those shares. Now, I'm guessing that UC has been putting that money into IBM's hands, as custodian, and it will be distributed to us once all the shares are accounted for. That's why it's so important to make sure they locate as many shareholders as possible. Also, that's why UC states that he will not participate in the Entourage divy -- because he has already taken care of himself and this whole scenario is actually for the shareholders.
Wow, I don't know why I get down every once in a while. I just hope it doesn't take them five more years to locate the shareholders and settle this.
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Stocklein got ETGMF shares 1/12/2006 Cert count = ~170Bil
PR about notifiying shareholders and 78.370 supposed to come out on 3/17, cert count ~470
PR stalled until 3/20 Cert count ~504Bil
I don't know what to make of it, if anything
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lana, we raised shares up and gave them to insiders, uc, edwards, and others. They all mysteriously surrendered those shares almost immediately to the dtc. Now they held them in street name, but as phxgold said if they sold those they basically committed fraud. The fact is those shares are the shares andy said are in granny's sock drawer, and if they were sold illegaly then they committed fraud. And if they sold them with no benefit to the company, even if roger unrestricted them, they committed fraud in my opinion. The reason there is no arrest warrants for urban and edwards, again in my opinion, is that they never did sell those. And in fact I have been told that it was all to creat the illusion of dilution for a sting.
Now we have those insiders holding 500 billion or so in street name, the DTC having 500 billion in certs, and the proven retail short by the gemm and ucad run ups at just under 590 billion. The 500 billion or so surrendered shares are part of the issued and outstanding, so subtract them from the issued and oustanding at the time of revocation and you have an o/s at that time of 200 billion or less give or take. We actually gave the dtc their certs to cover the retail portion of the cert pull, for a very high price I would assume and all part of deals made that far back.
THE SHORT IS PROVEN, AND THIS IS JUST THE END GAME WE ARE SEEING. ALL IN MY OPINION.
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Gus IYO is April 15th a date we have been waiting 3yrs. for.Urban always said it's in the PR's.
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DVERMILL, it is a very very important date, but it doesn't mean that it will be the end of this agony. Obviously they can continue this as long as they want. The short is already proven so that isn't the point anymore, it is all about politics (because our company alone could melt the market) and who's azz get's covered and who goes down for this. They can't have all of the criminals on wallstreet and others go to jail for this fraud, there would be no one left to steal from us on wallstreet.
is keeping the scandal of naked shorting a crime in itself. If most of the people who let this happen, ie the federal reserve, the dtc, the nyse, the mm's, the brokers, etc etc, are going to get away with the biggest scandal ever where exactly is the justice. Is fixing the system but letting most of the people that just pulled off the biggest fleecing ever still run things (except for the new sec and federal reserve) justice.
If a massive fraud was committed against cmkx but we get paid is that enough. I would say if they never show us the short or who was responsible for it, then we aided and abeited these criminals so they wouldn't get prosecuted for their crimes. That is complete bull, they should pay us and go to jail.
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ISSUED AND OUTSTANDING
Not to be confused with authorized shares, outstanding shares refer to the number of stocks that a company actually has issued. This number represents all the shares that can be bought and sold by the public as well as all the restricted shares that require special permission before being transacted.
So ISSUED means the same thing as Outstanding and includes the restricted shares which we don't know yet how many restricted shares are held by Urban and insiders.
One question, how could Urban sell retired or surrender shares to the DTCC if after revocation it is illegal to sell cmkx shares?
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extreme, the shares that were surrendered were issued and surrendered to the dtc and then those people held in street name. The surrendered shares are part of the issued and outstanding.
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But if Urban got money for them thats selling.
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and it was easy to sell the surrendered shares to the dtc, they were still trading then. He sold the surrendered shares to the dtc to cover their short position, the double cover. And they still held their shares in street name and still do somewhere, I would guess a trust. If they sold them they would be charged already in my opinion. I have talked to a lawyer about this and he said open and shut fraud, even if they bought them back at a cheaper price and retired them later. You can't do that.
exteme, if he got money for them than it is part of the settlement for the naked short. That was the first cover of the double cover theory and right. The second cover is all the others that shorted the stock, ie. brokers, mms' and hedge funds and the rest. That is in my opinino been the toughest part to collect over the last year and a half.
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Ok so it happened before revocation. Then why is this taking sooooo looooooog?
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it is taking so long because this is the biggest scandal of all times, involving pretty much every brokerage house, mm, hedge fund, the fed reserve, the dtc, the old sec, EVERYONE got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. If everyone went to jail that should wallstreet wouldn't exist. I am sure it was hard to collect some of that money for sure, and maybe still is. Many of these naked shorters are criminals and don't like paying money back
here is an example of just how stupid this is getting and is part of my frustration with this crap. We have to listen to complete bs from company people, and in my opinion that is exactly what andy is, and this crap should stop immediately.This crap about I'm just a shareholder, what a pile of garbage. This from andy
Appears to me Urban could have....
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only 1.2 billion shares of CMKX now.
This would be the 600 mill. he placed in escrow which were then part of the 1 for 1 forward split.
From the shareholder cert list it shows total certed shares for UC was 32.2 bill. with 31 bill surrendered.
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Then maybe oaks should show us were the other 31 billion shares went. The thing is he maybe right that urban only holds the 1.2 billion, but where are the rest. Surrendering the shares doesn't make them dissappear. And if it is 1.2 then the real o/s has to be tiny imo. This surrendering of shares is exactly how they created the illusion of dilution, and those surrendered certs went right to the dtc for their cover, how convenient. All in my opinion, but I wish andy would stfu and the company would stop the games
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you know, I read this stuff and it just seems to me that someone reading these posts is smart enough to know exactly what has happened with CMKX...the secrecy must mean big stuff going on behind the scenes...if this was all BS why the cert pull and why was UC at all those races...he could have pumped this just fine without being with the public at the races...
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I really really wish people like gusjarvis would ask questions before lashing out,..
The 1.2 billion was originally posted by myself and the reason for doing so is because they are the only shares I can personally say Urban has in his name left,.. We never said the 31 billion was dumped,.. in fact I am one of the biggest supporters of the illusion factor and that certs may have been transferred to another trust or something,..
Please someone post this over there,.. I am not on that board for obvious reasons,..
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ANYONE? come on it's easy.
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they boughtem
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they bought them from who and for how much. The funny thing is that the double cover theory was made fun of for soooo long, but was infact right. The DTC was the first to cover in my opinion, and they cover with our share raises that were surrendered almost immediately. And phxgold, since you are here a question. Those share raises that were surrendered , around five hundred billion are part of the issued and outstanding right, which alone proves the naked short already in my opinion.
And I keep posting the info from george burns when he was a pumper, the run ups on gemm and ucad equaled 590 billion shares of cmkx, wow look at the numbers we are at and the shares to be added.
if company insiders profited from those share raises, even if they bought them back, that is fraud and there would have already been a warrant out for some arrest I would think. Where is the warrant for urban and john edwards, hmmm. Granny's sock drawer was the DTC, the rest of the shares got retired or there will be trouble from what I hear. If you raise a public companies shares for the sole purpose of making money for insiders that is fraud.
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ill say it again you cannot find a single issuance to cede and co. directly from the company to raise capital. since 2002 before uc came along. see. every shares issued had a name on it. every share issuance can be traced to a certificate issued to a person not to cede. from start to finish. every share started in someones hands directly from the company in cert form. either the sec ignored thousands if not hundreds of thousands of violations of rule 144 or something else is happening. Pedro posted some info about the share releases from the a/s increase to 800b but quickly removed it as it proved the shares were issued to specific individuals in cert form in canada. and not dumped by the co on the market. but that proved something other than his point. once realized it was removed quickly. much like the actions of the dtcc on their site.
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phxgold, those surrendered shares go somewhere, it is the dtc isn't it when they are surrenderd. That makes sense if deals were done way back when we caught them.
And the second question is those shares on pedro's list that were surrendered are part of the issued and outstanding right.
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Where does it say the DTC has 500 billion in certs?
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stockrigh, they have been filling requests for months from the ta, they are now out or just about out. It was quite convenient they ended up with that huge amount of shares to cover the first part of the cert pull isn't it.
simple question for anyone, if you surrender a cert where does it go?
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yes they would become part of the outstanding but who holds those shares is the main question.
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phxgold actually your last post proves the naked short as at the time of revocation we had an issued and outstanding of 703 billion, making the real o/s what most thouht 200 billion or less, end of story. The short is already proven in my opinion, and for thos that say there is no deal then why did the o/s raise to 703 billion. The last time the two were the same, per andy and this is no surprise, was 200 billion.
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phxgold, please tell me I am a dummy or 703 billion issued and oustanding at the time of revocation, minus the surrendered shares of just say around 500 billion leaves the oustanding shares at the time of revocation at 200 billion. Either I am wrong or the short is more than proven.
hmmmmmmmm! I am waiting in anticipation of finding out whether or not I am a dummy, I guess I am not smart enough to figure it out for myself.
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sorry im at work pts prevail. yes you are correct.
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Gus and Phxgold - okay, so UC has been selling shares to the DTC to cover. Obviously, the DTC has been paying UC for those shares. Now, I'm guessing that UC has been putting that money into IBM's hands, as custodian, and it will be distributed to us once all the shares are accounted for. That's why it's so important to make sure they locate as many shareholders as possible. Also, that's why UC states that he will not participate in the Entourage divy -- because he has already taken care of himself and this whole scenario is actually for the shareholders.
Wow, I don't know why I get down every once in a while. I just hope it doesn't take them five more years to locate the shareholders and settle this.
Lana
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Stocklein got ETGMF shares 1/12/2006 Cert count = ~170Bil
PR about notifiying shareholders and 78.370 supposed to come out on 3/17, cert count ~470
PR stalled until 3/20 Cert count ~504Bil
I don't know what to make of it, if anything
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lana, we raised shares up and gave them to insiders, uc, edwards, and others. They all mysteriously surrendered those shares almost immediately to the dtc. Now they held them in street name, but as phxgold said if they sold those they basically committed fraud. The fact is those shares are the shares andy said are in granny's sock drawer, and if they were sold illegaly then they committed fraud. And if they sold them with no benefit to the company, even if roger unrestricted them, they committed fraud in my opinion. The reason there is no arrest warrants for urban and edwards, again in my opinion, is that they never did sell those. And in fact I have been told that it was all to creat the illusion of dilution for a sting.
Now we have those insiders holding 500 billion or so in street name, the DTC having 500 billion in certs, and the proven retail short by the gemm and ucad run ups at just under 590 billion. The 500 billion or so surrendered shares are part of the issued and outstanding, so subtract them from the issued and oustanding at the time of revocation and you have an o/s at that time of 200 billion or less give or take. We actually gave the dtc their certs to cover the retail portion of the cert pull, for a very high price I would assume and all part of deals made that far back.
THE SHORT IS PROVEN, AND THIS IS JUST THE END GAME WE ARE SEEING. ALL IN MY OPINION.
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Gus IYO is April 15th a date we have been waiting 3yrs. for.Urban always said it's in the PR's.
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DVERMILL, it is a very very important date, but it doesn't mean that it will be the end of this agony. Obviously they can continue this as long as they want. The short is already proven so that isn't the point anymore, it is all about politics (because our company alone could melt the market) and who's azz get's covered and who goes down for this. They can't have all of the criminals on wallstreet and others go to jail for this fraud, there would be no one left to steal from us on wallstreet.
is keeping the scandal of naked shorting a crime in itself. If most of the people who let this happen, ie the federal reserve, the dtc, the nyse, the mm's, the brokers, etc etc, are going to get away with the biggest scandal ever where exactly is the justice. Is fixing the system but letting most of the people that just pulled off the biggest fleecing ever still run things (except for the new sec and federal reserve) justice.
If a massive fraud was committed against cmkx but we get paid is that enough. I would say if they never show us the short or who was responsible for it, then we aided and abeited these criminals so they wouldn't get prosecuted for their crimes. That is complete bull, they should pay us and go to jail.
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ISSUED AND OUTSTANDING
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So ISSUED means the same thing as Outstanding and includes the restricted shares which we don't know yet how many restricted shares are held by Urban and insiders.
One question, how could Urban sell retired or surrender shares to the DTCC if after revocation it is illegal to sell cmkx shares?
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extreme, the shares that were surrendered were issued and surrendered to the dtc and then those people held in street name. The surrendered shares are part of the issued and outstanding.
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But if Urban got money for them thats selling.
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and it was easy to sell the surrendered shares to the dtc, they were still trading then. He sold the surrendered shares to the dtc to cover their short position, the double cover. And they still held their shares in street name and still do somewhere, I would guess a trust. If they sold them they would be charged already in my opinion. I have talked to a lawyer about this and he said open and shut fraud, even if they bought them back at a cheaper price and retired them later. You can't do that.
exteme, if he got money for them than it is part of the settlement for the naked short. That was the first cover of the double cover theory and right. The second cover is all the others that shorted the stock, ie. brokers, mms' and hedge funds and the rest. That is in my opinino been the toughest part to collect over the last year and a half.
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Ok so it happened before revocation. Then why is this taking sooooo looooooog?
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it is taking so long because this is the biggest scandal of all times, involving pretty much every brokerage house, mm, hedge fund, the fed reserve, the dtc, the old sec, EVERYONE got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. If everyone went to jail that should wallstreet wouldn't exist. I am sure it was hard to collect some of that money for sure, and maybe still is. Many of these naked shorters are criminals and don't like paying money back
here is an example of just how stupid this is getting and is part of my frustration with this crap. We have to listen to complete bs from company people, and in my opinion that is exactly what andy is, and this crap should stop immediately.This crap about I'm just a shareholder, what a pile of garbage. This from andy
Appears to me Urban could have....
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only 1.2 billion shares of CMKX now.
This would be the 600 mill. he placed in escrow which were then part of the 1 for 1 forward split.
From the shareholder cert list it shows total certed shares for UC was 32.2 bill. with 31 bill surrendered.
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Then maybe oaks should show us were the other 31 billion shares went. The thing is he maybe right that urban only holds the 1.2 billion, but where are the rest. Surrendering the shares doesn't make them dissappear. And if it is 1.2 then the real o/s has to be tiny imo. This surrendering of shares is exactly how they created the illusion of dilution, and those surrendered certs went right to the dtc for their cover, how convenient. All in my opinion, but I wish andy would stfu and the company would stop the games
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you know, I read this stuff and it just seems to me that someone reading these posts is smart enough to know exactly what has happened with CMKX...the secrecy must mean big stuff going on behind the scenes...if this was all BS why the cert pull and why was UC at all those races...he could have pumped this just fine without being with the public at the races...
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I really really wish people like gusjarvis would ask questions before lashing out,..
The 1.2 billion was originally posted by myself and the reason for doing so is because they are the only shares I can personally say Urban has in his name left,.. We never said the 31 billion was dumped,.. in fact I am one of the biggest supporters of the illusion factor and that certs may have been transferred to another trust or something,..
Please someone post this over there,.. I am not on that board for obvious reasons,..
If someone wants answers ask questions,.. Don’t point and yell without finding out first.
