Post by phaedrus19 on Jul 17, 2004 17:15:26 GMT -5
In my opinion... an important post.
phaedrus
17 Jul 2004, 04:41 PM EDT Msg. 43833 of 43846
(Msg. is a reply to by None.)
From Zen Investor:
Posted by: zeninvestor32
In reply to: None
Date:7/17/2004 4:24:23 PM
Post #of 54495
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE THIS POST.
But I really don't care. I've been straight up in my opinions, good and bad, from day one. First things first, I have not sold a share nor do I plan on selling a share until all the information that we seek is available. Now, on to the things that I see that I do NOT like happening.
I'm assigning blame 3 ways: to Roger, to Urban and to shareholders (certain ones specifically).
Roger: Pure and simple. Urban should never have been permitted to attend the Denver races. The ONLY exception I'd make to that is if a major press release revealling all material information was put out immediately after the close on Friday's trading. You have to know your client, and in our case, Urban is a profoundly excessive windbag. Roger should have known this. This was a major lapse in judgment on Roger's part IMO. The only way I'd let Roger off the hook is if Urban defiantly said "No. I am attending, so work around that." Urban is the client, and does have that right. I don't know if Urban forced Roger's hand on this one, but I am VERY disappointed that Urban was allowed to attend knowing his propensity for promotion.
Urban: What can I say that hasn't been said. This guy is an idiot for attending this race. When you have a potentially huge blockbuster deal (assuming that is true), you take great pains to AVOID any close contact with shareholders, or at the very least, he could have planned on a "surprise" appearance once any news had been released. I don't know how Urban accomplished what he accomplished to acquire all this valuable land, but it doesn't change the fact that he makes very POOR management decisions and REFUSES to behave like a real CEO, instead planning parties and playing with race cars while risking all of our investment. I know he is unconventional and there's a certain charm to that. I actually like the funny car sponsorship. It's a new one to me to see a company put the word out this way. But there's a time for unconventional and a time to SERIOUSLY RESPECT a legal and critical situation. IMO, Urban's attendance in Denver and the surrounding events have placed our investment in jeopardy. I do doubt anything will come of it. I'm sure Roger (after pulling the rest of his hair out) will be performing cleanup duties on this mess for awhile and will have everything straight and in order. But still, why in the world did Urban have to do this. The game is not over until the buzzer sounds. And there is a lot of time left in this game. And Urban just fumbled the ball AGAIN.
The shareholders: To all the people that posted or said things like "Urban said we have sold some claims" or "This is what I know ...." or "Here is what is happening ...", YOU WILL ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME IF THE SEC ISSUES A SUBPOENA TO YOU AND HAS YOUR TRADING ACCOUNT SUSPENDED!!!! You idiots. You complete and total idiots!!!! It's one thing to speculate. Many have theories but always qualify them as such. I have always pointed out with great emphasis that my thoughts are merely speculation or theories or guesses. But for those shareholders that posted or said that certain things WERE a certain way or WERE true, you deserve to be investigated. I mean that. You are simply too stupid to be involved in investing if you can't understand what's wrong with posting information as if it's fact. Having you jailed and/or fined would probably not only help us but help YOU from being so stupid in the future. People like Raggingbulll and Bashtard_Eliminator aren't helping matters by pumping the living bejeezus out of things with winks, nudges, nods and high-fives. Although they may not be revealling anything concrete, they are NOT helping matter buy fueling the fire and making rabid shareholders even more hostile and anxious. Please someone post this over on the Raging Bull board for me 100x so that the COMPLETE AND TOTAL MORONS OVER THERE GET MY MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR!!! I don't mean this for everyone. Obviously, for those that genuinely pursue public information and an exchange of ideas and theories, you should continue to do such. It does NOT take a genius though to figure out which ones are SERIOUSLY impeding the progress of our company.
I have said before that it is my personal belief the shorts have kept this thing at .0003 range because they believe Urban and the shareholders are idiots enough to give them one last chance to get this operation shut down. Boy oh boy, how badly everyone wants to prove me RIGHT. Things were moving so well before. Urban had been quiet for a month. Press releases were tight. To the point. No fluff. People were waiting. The longer we went like that, the more confident I grew that we actually had something really big. I'd say my confidence level was reaching maybe 75-80% in terms of this truly being a "play of a lifetime". After this weekend, I am back to a 50-50 proposition. There are just too many idiots involved in this mix for me to be that confident again. Too many possible missteps or miscues. I continue to hold because the risk/reward ratio still IMO is huge. But it seems that this game may still come down to the wire on whether we win or not.
Things everyone can do to help the situation:
1. Shut paltalk down until after material news has been released.
2. If you talk about anything specific, qualify it with disclaimers up the yin yang, e.g., "IMO", "I believe", "This is merely speculation but ...."
3. If you even think about typing "Urban said to me ..." please slit your wrists.
4. Stay quiet until there actually IS a reason to celebrate. It's ok to have fun and be funny but wild, rampant speculation, half of which is twisted into untruths is just plain damaging.
5. Wait. Wait. Wait.
6. If you see or hear someone else violating any of the above, slap them in the face until they stop.
Now, I am confident I will receive a massive amount of negative responses, including accusations that I'm a turncoat, a "Joel" or worse. Whatever. The above needed to be said IMO. Most of the people are behaving but unfortunately there is quite a large contingency of children that seem to be disrupting it all. Perhaps a PR will come out before Monday that will make all of the above moot. I sure hope so. If not, brace yourselves for perhaps the roughest week yet of owning this stock. And I hope everyone can handle it LIKE MATURE, RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.
I hate typing something like the above. I hate fueling the shorts/bashers any further. But you know, the one thing I hate even more is when people on MY side do things to jeopardize my investment.
Peace. Goodbye. Will I post again? Not sure. As long-winded as I am, I'm having a hard time finding the right words to express how ROYALLY PISSED OFF I AM RIGHT NOW. This is an opportunity of a lifetime IMO. And many (including our lead characters) are treating this like it's nothing more than an Egg McMuffin. Wake up people. This is a potential future like you've always dreamed of. STOP HANDLING IT CARELESSLY.
Please pass this on to everyone you think it applies to. Thank you. Good bye.
P.S. I do seriously hope all news is out by Monday as technically I believe that anything of concern only appeared after trading on Friday and technically could not have been acted on before trading resumed on Monday if everything is released before then.
Z
As always, these are my personal opinions.
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phaedrus
17 Jul 2004, 04:41 PM EDT Msg. 43833 of 43846
(Msg. is a reply to by None.)
From Zen Investor:
Posted by: zeninvestor32
In reply to: None
Date:7/17/2004 4:24:23 PM
Post #of 54495
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT LIKE THIS POST.
But I really don't care. I've been straight up in my opinions, good and bad, from day one. First things first, I have not sold a share nor do I plan on selling a share until all the information that we seek is available. Now, on to the things that I see that I do NOT like happening.
I'm assigning blame 3 ways: to Roger, to Urban and to shareholders (certain ones specifically).
Roger: Pure and simple. Urban should never have been permitted to attend the Denver races. The ONLY exception I'd make to that is if a major press release revealling all material information was put out immediately after the close on Friday's trading. You have to know your client, and in our case, Urban is a profoundly excessive windbag. Roger should have known this. This was a major lapse in judgment on Roger's part IMO. The only way I'd let Roger off the hook is if Urban defiantly said "No. I am attending, so work around that." Urban is the client, and does have that right. I don't know if Urban forced Roger's hand on this one, but I am VERY disappointed that Urban was allowed to attend knowing his propensity for promotion.
Urban: What can I say that hasn't been said. This guy is an idiot for attending this race. When you have a potentially huge blockbuster deal (assuming that is true), you take great pains to AVOID any close contact with shareholders, or at the very least, he could have planned on a "surprise" appearance once any news had been released. I don't know how Urban accomplished what he accomplished to acquire all this valuable land, but it doesn't change the fact that he makes very POOR management decisions and REFUSES to behave like a real CEO, instead planning parties and playing with race cars while risking all of our investment. I know he is unconventional and there's a certain charm to that. I actually like the funny car sponsorship. It's a new one to me to see a company put the word out this way. But there's a time for unconventional and a time to SERIOUSLY RESPECT a legal and critical situation. IMO, Urban's attendance in Denver and the surrounding events have placed our investment in jeopardy. I do doubt anything will come of it. I'm sure Roger (after pulling the rest of his hair out) will be performing cleanup duties on this mess for awhile and will have everything straight and in order. But still, why in the world did Urban have to do this. The game is not over until the buzzer sounds. And there is a lot of time left in this game. And Urban just fumbled the ball AGAIN.
The shareholders: To all the people that posted or said things like "Urban said we have sold some claims" or "This is what I know ...." or "Here is what is happening ...", YOU WILL ONLY HAVE YOURSELF TO BLAME IF THE SEC ISSUES A SUBPOENA TO YOU AND HAS YOUR TRADING ACCOUNT SUSPENDED!!!! You idiots. You complete and total idiots!!!! It's one thing to speculate. Many have theories but always qualify them as such. I have always pointed out with great emphasis that my thoughts are merely speculation or theories or guesses. But for those shareholders that posted or said that certain things WERE a certain way or WERE true, you deserve to be investigated. I mean that. You are simply too stupid to be involved in investing if you can't understand what's wrong with posting information as if it's fact. Having you jailed and/or fined would probably not only help us but help YOU from being so stupid in the future. People like Raggingbulll and Bashtard_Eliminator aren't helping matters by pumping the living bejeezus out of things with winks, nudges, nods and high-fives. Although they may not be revealling anything concrete, they are NOT helping matter buy fueling the fire and making rabid shareholders even more hostile and anxious. Please someone post this over on the Raging Bull board for me 100x so that the COMPLETE AND TOTAL MORONS OVER THERE GET MY MESSAGE LOUD AND CLEAR!!! I don't mean this for everyone. Obviously, for those that genuinely pursue public information and an exchange of ideas and theories, you should continue to do such. It does NOT take a genius though to figure out which ones are SERIOUSLY impeding the progress of our company.
I have said before that it is my personal belief the shorts have kept this thing at .0003 range because they believe Urban and the shareholders are idiots enough to give them one last chance to get this operation shut down. Boy oh boy, how badly everyone wants to prove me RIGHT. Things were moving so well before. Urban had been quiet for a month. Press releases were tight. To the point. No fluff. People were waiting. The longer we went like that, the more confident I grew that we actually had something really big. I'd say my confidence level was reaching maybe 75-80% in terms of this truly being a "play of a lifetime". After this weekend, I am back to a 50-50 proposition. There are just too many idiots involved in this mix for me to be that confident again. Too many possible missteps or miscues. I continue to hold because the risk/reward ratio still IMO is huge. But it seems that this game may still come down to the wire on whether we win or not.
Things everyone can do to help the situation:
1. Shut paltalk down until after material news has been released.
2. If you talk about anything specific, qualify it with disclaimers up the yin yang, e.g., "IMO", "I believe", "This is merely speculation but ...."
3. If you even think about typing "Urban said to me ..." please slit your wrists.
4. Stay quiet until there actually IS a reason to celebrate. It's ok to have fun and be funny but wild, rampant speculation, half of which is twisted into untruths is just plain damaging.
5. Wait. Wait. Wait.
6. If you see or hear someone else violating any of the above, slap them in the face until they stop.
Now, I am confident I will receive a massive amount of negative responses, including accusations that I'm a turncoat, a "Joel" or worse. Whatever. The above needed to be said IMO. Most of the people are behaving but unfortunately there is quite a large contingency of children that seem to be disrupting it all. Perhaps a PR will come out before Monday that will make all of the above moot. I sure hope so. If not, brace yourselves for perhaps the roughest week yet of owning this stock. And I hope everyone can handle it LIKE MATURE, RESPONSIBLE ADULTS.
I hate typing something like the above. I hate fueling the shorts/bashers any further. But you know, the one thing I hate even more is when people on MY side do things to jeopardize my investment.
Peace. Goodbye. Will I post again? Not sure. As long-winded as I am, I'm having a hard time finding the right words to express how ROYALLY PISSED OFF I AM RIGHT NOW. This is an opportunity of a lifetime IMO. And many (including our lead characters) are treating this like it's nothing more than an Egg McMuffin. Wake up people. This is a potential future like you've always dreamed of. STOP HANDLING IT CARELESSLY.
Please pass this on to everyone you think it applies to. Thank you. Good bye.
P.S. I do seriously hope all news is out by Monday as technically I believe that anything of concern only appeared after trading on Friday and technically could not have been acted on before trading resumed on Monday if everything is released before then.
Z
As always, these are my personal opinions.
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8-)PATIENCE 
? Let's enjoy the funny car, let Urban and Roger reveal information to us when appropriate and let's behave in a way consistent with a REAL investment that may actually change our lives. Can this really be an area where one could be TOO overcautious with so much at stake? To those that agree with me, thank you for your support. To those that don't, hopefully my true message at heart will sink in. CMKX is still a wonderful investment. Let's just be very, very, very, very careful. Yesterday appears to be no harm, no foul, but was still of great concern to me. Glad to see today (and hopefully tomorrow GO JEFF!!!) is calm, cool and much more responsible.