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Oct 21, 2004 12:29:58 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 12:29:58 GMT -5
zeninvestor: CIM reverse merging into SGGM theory « Thread started on: Today at 06:59am »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: wannabjaimelee who wrote msg# 14345 Date:9/24/2004 11:26:18 PM Post #of 14386 WANNABJAIMELEE Could relate to my post the other night about a theory I found intriguing -- that of CIM reverse merging into SGGM. CIM is private and needs a shell in the absence of an IPO. They have already said in the PR that CIM was intending to go public. And if in fact this happens, our CIM share distribution would convert into shares of SGGM. I can't see another reason for SGGM to exist to be honest. We'll see if this happens though. October 18 leaves several weeks for things to happen (but believe me, I'm not holding my breath -- nothing seems to happen on the timeline we'd like). Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with. www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4127259Logged
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Oct 21, 2004 22:03:23 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:03:23 GMT -5
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:9/27/2004 1:47:04 PM Post #of 14643 THIS IS A REALLY EXCELLENT POST. Onyx Pup posted this earlier from RB. It's very interesting to me and let me explain why. Again, I am not a securities attorney, so I do not know all the filing requirements or procedural issues that Roger may be addressing. But one thing I have wondered is whether CMKX would simply file a 10K with the SEC to become reporting again or whether they would approach this under the full-blown process of being listed with the otcc bb. If the latter, it explains a LOT. I had a friend whose company went through the approval process for listing on the otc bb awhile back. The process took around 9 months. It was brutal. You submit all your information to the SEC and await their comments. They will tag you on everything which you and your auditors have to then resubmit for a second round of "comments". My friend actually had to do a third round. It took a long while. But then again, he was not using a top-notch attorney and not using a top-notch CPA. My guess is that someone greatly familiar with SEC compliance like Roger (particularly if he has contacts there as a former SEC man) can get some expedited feedback. Still, if they are doing this the all-out way to become an otc bb listed company, the process is grueling and takes time. Roger has now been at it almost 4 months. If he has had his ducks in a row (and I'm guessing he has), I would not at all be surprised for the process to be nearly through. Roger probably has a pretty good idea at this stage on how much longer this process will take and can coordinate the "plan" around it. But let me tell you. What REALLY excites me if in fact they are doing this is that this means the SEC has complete and full disclosure from CMKX. This means the company has basically laid every financial and every deal on CMKX in the last 5 years probably bare and available for the SEC to inspect. And THIS would be why, despite all the absolute absurdity in the stock's trading, there has been no investigation into CMKX and no halt. SEC would have everything. There wouldn't be a need to investigate. The SEC can see every step ever taken and understand what and why is happening. And since there has been no halt or problems, this is key. This would ultimately be a very smart move by Roger. Lay yourself prostrate before the SEC and then when they sign off on everything, YOU ARE GOOD TO GO. The downside is the timing issue. You just don't have control over the SEC's schedule or their comments. But if this is handled properly, and I suspect if anyone would handle it properly it's Roger, this is indeed a very big move for cmkx. What would it mean in the short term (unknown as to exact time frame): 1. Fully reporting on otcbb which makes the stock available for institutional/fund purchases (i still wish it was going to amex where credibility runs much higher) 2. SEC blessing on CMKX financials puts all bashers to rest 3. Full disclosure of every nit about CMKX 4. Company will now be committed to complete and total disclosure of alll future deals I like where this is going. The last PR's comment about the auditors at work and becomeing fully reporting was important to me. If in fact Roger has CMKX's financials in front of the SEC and already through any comments phases, we are all going to be very, very, very happy imo. Here's the link to the post I think is very interesting: www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=87359Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:04:29 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:04:29 GMT -5
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:9/28/2004 1:30:00 PM Post #of 14767 SGGM-OLOGY More on my theory regarding SGGM and CIM. Again, remember that it's theory and nothing more. 1. CMKM announces a purchase of 10% of CIM's interests. And in exchange CMKM gets 40B shares. Theoretically, this means there may be 400B shares outstanding of CIM, a private company that has no need for 400B shares as a share structure. They can't even be sold except privately. biz.yahoo.com/bw/040719/196042_1.html2. "The company [CIM] also plans to become a publicly-reporting company." (from the same PR) Well, that's going to either require an IPO or reverse merging into a shell. Frankly, I can't see the claims of CIM (at least as little as we know) justifying an IPO. And merging into a shell is more cost-effective, quicker and cleaner. 3. SGGM is a shell. Essentially it was a dormant company with no activity until resurrected just now. It had only 16M shares. They suddenly issued 200B shares and raised the AS to 950B shares. They have no business that we know of other than the 5% ownership now of CMKX. This does not warrant an issuance of 200B shares. UCAD did not do this. They issued 7.5M shares. GEMM did not do this. Our max dividend on GEMM (assuming we exercise our remaining option) will be around 225M shares. 4. So we inexplicably have a private company like CIM with little business and a best guess of 400B+ shares. And we have SGGM suddenly blow out their share structure into the 100s of billions. 5. I do not see and would not understand any reason for cmkx to reverse merge into the company that only bought 5% of their interests. So I dismiss a CMKX-SGGM reverse merger. 6. They have already stated that CIM will become fully reporting. They will need a shell to do this IMO. There is no reason for either CIM or SGGM to be in the hundreds of billions of shares (neither UCAD or GEMM did such a move). With similar share structures now, though, it just makes sense that SGGM would be a natural vehicle for CIM to reverse merge into and become a fully reporting, publicly traded company. 7. We have had SGGM news for nearly 30 days now and no SGGM dividend announcement. Which is odd to me. All other such transactions resulted in dividends. 8. Logically, all this tells me that they are planning a reverse merger of CIM into SGGM whereby our CIM shares will convert into SGGM shares (and perhaps the 200B shares of SGGM will additionally be distributed to us). This seems to answer the question of "what good are CIM shares anyway when they aren't trading" since we would now suddenly own a stock that is trading (and theoretically reporting by the time any such transaction would take place). 9. Such a maneuver likely would have many flexible options for inflicting further pain upon any short position. 10. This is just my thinking. If you disagree with it, no problem. Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:07:39 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:07:39 GMT -5
ZEN'S "VENT DAY" « Thread started on: Today at 3:04pm »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe we need a little "I don't wait well" type commiseration today. - J www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4169811Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: narvo who wrote msg# 15110 Date:9/30/2004 2:49:36 PM Post #of 15152 LIST O' QUESTIONS FOR RACES Here's my contribution to questions worth asking at the races: 1. Why did the company PR the distribution dates for CIM and GEMM but not for the change in distribution dates? 2. Why did the company NOT pr the distribution date for UCAD but DID pr the change in distribution date? And why was the change PR'ed late (that is, after market close on the day we were supposed to receive the dividend)? 3. Does the company understand how confusing, discourteous and frustrating this is for investors and how we now don't even know whether to believe anything we read in a PR? 4. Has the company filed any paperwork yet with the SEC? If so, where in the process is the filing? If not, when do we expect to file? 5. Once the paperwork is filed, what is their expected time frame from the that point until we are approved for otcbb listing? 6. Is the company aware of how much misleading and sometimes even false information Melvin has supplied us? Why does the company feel it is more important to spend $80k on food for a party than to hire a REAL, professional IR person who can actually help answer shareholder questions? 7. Why did Vicki tell us there were several PRs coming "this week" for SGGM nearly three weeks ago, none of which have materialized? 8. Who comprises the board of directors at SGGM? 9. Where did the money come from for SGGM? 10. Where did the money come from for CMKXtreme.com to give to Crystalix? 11. What is the purpose of the Crystalix loan? 12. Is the company 100% certain that our UCAD dividends will timely arrive by October 6 this time? 13. Is there a reason JEFF sat on the ask for nearly 3 months and then suddenly left? What is the company's opinion on CRWN now sitting on the ask just as JEFF did? (this question might also be posed to Daryl Prior) 14. (question specifically for Daryl Prior) If BSIC is "CMKX-friendly", why is BSIC always on the ask? 15. (to Ed Dhonau) If you are telling people "Be sure to be in Vegas", do you not understand that this sets a clear expectation of a much higher pps in anyone's mind by the time the party arrives? Do you consider this responsible? 16. Will there be an SGGM share distribution? 17. Will CIM reverse merge into SGGM? If no comment, then why was SGGM resurrected as a shell? Why was its AS raised to 950B? 18. Why has the company still not provided an update on the Canada meeting that took place over a month ago? 19. When do they expect the results of the recent drilling? That's all for now. I'm sure others will fill in large gaps. Ask the hard questions. Miners ask the hard drilling questions. The worst that can happen is we get "no comment". The best that can happen is we get some real answers to real questions. Thank you to the people volunteering to put a little fire to the feet of management. We should do this every week for every race. I hate that we have to be aggressive this way to get information, but that's the way it is. See? Out of all my bad womaning an moaning, maybe some real communications will happen. Thank you again for those taking these questions forward.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:07:57 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:07:57 GMT -5
More.... Re: ZEN'S "VENT DAY" « Reply #5 on: Today at 3:11pm »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4170028Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: Diamondhead who wrote msg# 15131 Date:9/30/2004 3:03:53 PM Post #of 15157 THANK YOU DIAMONDHEAD Enjoy the races. Remember that if they just smile to follow up with "Can you elaborate on that smile?" LOL Too many rumors started by "I asked [question X] and he smiled real wide". Thanks again Diamondhead. Go get'em. LOL We essentially don't have an IR person, so it's time to IR it ourselves!! Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:09:00 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:09:00 GMT -5
zeninvestor: "filing before October 6"?
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:10/2/2004 12:21:10 PM Post #of 15493
ADDENDUM
Irrespective of the new shorting rules, I am hopeful to see a filing before October 6 anyway. I would find it very strange to receive a dividend without any formal knowledge of the company's share structure. That having been said, I have found EVERYTHING to be strange about cmkx, so while I would be scratching my head if we had no filing before our dividend, I would not be shocked. We'll see. Just makes sense to me though, that the dividend would kick in with our filing.
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As always, these are my personal opinions.
Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:16:38 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:16:38 GMT -5
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:10/6/2004 9:55:55 AM Post #of 16011
AND BY THE WAY
This is why I implored everyone to cancel their reservations to Vegas and send the company a signal. Anyone feeling good about their trip right now at .0001 x .0002? LOL This is why you don't plan trips like this. You WAIT UNTIL YOU FIRST HAVE SUCCESS. I hope the company only had about a dozen people with rsvps. This party thing ticks me off as I have said before.
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As always, these are my personal opinions.
Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:18:59 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:18:59 GMT -5
zeninvestor: INDEED THAT IS AWESOME!!! « Thread started on: Oct 7th, 2004, 11:27pm »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- zeninvestor: INDEED THAT IS AWESOME!!! Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: bluediamonds who wrote msg# 16405 Date:10/7/2004 9:33:28 PM Post #of 16500 INDEED THAT IS AWESOME!!! Great post bluediamonds and thank you for bringing it to our attention. I have always been curious as to SGGM and how it might be used. That's as good a theory as I've seen. Right now, as I've stated, I believe the MMs are indeed trying to cover their UCAD short as the cheaper option out of this bind rather than cover their cmkx short. So even if it means they must go on the market to buy millions of UCAD, they would rather do that than face the wrath of a cmkx short squeeze. I know some still argue that you can't cover restricted shares with unrestricted shares bought on the market. I still disagree and believe the short interests have this electronic dtc system down to a science and can somehow mask this. But what happens if cmkx issues an SGGM dividend of 200 billion shares? How in the WORLD are the MMs going to cover 200 billion shares when there are only currently 16M shares of SGGM, most all of which are likely held by insiders. Answer? They can't. The smart MMs might realize this sooner rather than later and cannibalize their fellow MMs in CMKX knowing that it will have to be covered eventually. No idea if any of this is true, but it makes for some great theory. The dividends are spaced out very evenly. We are seeing some outrageous trading effects from the first one with UCAD already. And then we have SGGM being dangled out there with NOBODY knowing how it will be used. Great stuff. I do believe we have passed our second plot point in this screenplay and we now move towards final resolution. Thanks BlueDiamonds and thanks GeorgeBurns!! Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with. www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4235579In the message above zeninvestor is referring the post by georgeburns "CASH DIVIDEND (simple) now in yellow!" at cmkxdiamond.proboards32.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1097192733 -- just in case you would like to take a look at the original post itself.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:37:52 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:37:52 GMT -5
zen comments on Uranium deal Posted by: zeninvestor32 tinyurl.com/48556DOTS Today's PR was important. Why did United Carina choose to share in this venture with CMKX? I doubt it was for the money. That's not much money to raise and Kusmirski could easily raise it. How? Um, hope you didn't forget that Hochberg, president of IUC is on the board of JNR Resources of which Kusmirski is President. Who is Hochberg? President of IUC, a Lundin company. Believe me, Kusmirski could get financing in a heartbeat. But why did he and United Carina choose to go through CMKX. You know what my answer is. By the way, uranium stocks have been SOARING the past 6 months. Check out CCJ (Cameco) and IUC. This is a huge deal IMO. Kusmirski was the project manager for Cameco's #1 site, the Athabasca region. He's a big gun. This deal today is impressive (although imo the shorts will definitely try to make you feel it is not). Good luck. I really liked today's news. A LOT. Z
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Oct 21, 2004 22:42:22 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:42:22 GMT -5
BY ZEN.
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:10/11/2004 12:14:40 PM Post #of 16920
IF THIS TREND CONTINUES ...
If this continues with ucad, gemm and sggm, I will have made back my entire investment on the dividends alone (granted they are restricted and we don't know where they will be in a year but still it's pretty outstanding). And that's really just on the UCAD and GEMM. If we get distributed SGGM shares too, it could be a significant return (i.e., over 100%) on dividends alone. And if CIM reverse merges into SGGM, wow.
All in all, things look pretty damn interesting. Right now, if I had to use an analogy, I would say that the shorts thought they had a very good hand of poker but did not think Roger had a royal straight flush. Roger, with the dividends, has raised them very carefully with each successive card. The shorts have called every raise. The shorts are now pretty much entirely in and yet Roger keeps raising it. I think we are at the point where Roger has pushed everything into the pot and the shorts now have to decide if they want to go "all in". By now, they must be realizing that Roger is probably not bluffing.
Gonna be fun when the cards hit the table IMO.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:44:27 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:44:27 GMT -5
Posted by: zeninvestor32
A LITTLE MORE THEORY FOR THE LATE NIGHTOWLS
CIM dividend is announced in July with a record date of August 31. September 2, we get the SGGM announcement. Interesting timing. Up until August 31, the shorts are thinking "big deal" with CIM since they are confident the dtc will mask them as long as CIM is not public, i.e., the DTC will simply distribute shares of CIM to all record shareholders regardless of number. The threat of "becoming fully reporting" at the end of the CIM PR is not terribly urgent to the shorts.
But immediately after the record date, the shorts are trapped into the dividend (i.e., the dividends MUST be paid out and even if the shorts buy CMKX to cover after the record date, those dividends still must be distributed). So now that the trap has been set and the bait taken, the SGGM announcement is made on September 2. As I've said, I believe CIM will reverse merge into SGGM. Now the shorts have quite a dilemma. Where are they going to get 40 billion shares of SGGM if our CIM suddenly converts into SGGM? SGGM has moved from .01 to .40 on volume in the hundreds of thousands. But 40 billion? Is it even possible? But wait. the AS on SGGM is 950B. 40B more SGGM could easily be issued. If the naked short is as large as some speculate, they might even have to issue an extra 80B SGGM. And of course, there's no way the shorts could cover this on the open SGGM market. Someone comes knocking on SGGM's door, begging for shares. "Please could we perchance buy 80B shares of SGGM. What's your price?" And guess what that money would be used for? If you said "cash dividend to SGGM holders", you'd be reading my mind.
Please remember this is all theory. I swear I have NO IDEA how SGGM will actually be used but the possibilities are staggering in my mind. Again, it is BIZARRE to me that CIM would suddenly issue 40 billion shares as a dividend (it's a private company - why would ANYONE dilute out 40 billion shares on a private company) and it is BIZARRE to me that SGGM would jump from 16M shares to issuing a 200B share distribution to CMKX. And it is BIZARRE timing that SGGM would be announced just 2 days after the record date of CIM. I could be COMPLETLY wrong on this and SGGM may have NOTHING to do with CIM. But if it DOES, the shorts bit on this one HARD and they are going to pay out the nose.
The UCAD is almost like an appetizer compared to that scenario. A nice appetizer to get the UCAD share price way up and make a nasdaq listing possible maybe? A nice way to help out Urban's friends at UCAD in exchange for all their support to him during this time. GEMM may still have other purposes as well. But is CIM the "real" trigger? I don't know. We'll find out. I don't want to mislead anyone or set expectations unnecessarily. I fully expect to simply get my CIM dividends on October 18 and that we'll still be trading at .0002 x .0003, and SGGM will still be what it is and nothing more. However, I am DEFINITELY intrigued as to whether CIM and SGGM are part of the real trigger to the short squeeze.
All we can do is wait. The more UCAD and GEMM fly, the more I become confident that this plan is already set in place. I do NOT buy the notions set forth by some earlier that UCAD and GEMM are simply CMKXers piling on. The buying is too heavy, the dollar volume is too great and the timing is too coincidental for this not to be short covering IMO. The shorts stayed short through the UCAD record date and now they have to cover UCAD imo. Now how this shakes out with CIM and SGGM ... now that's very interesting to me.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:48:53 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:48:53 GMT -5
FWIW. ZEN says it best re: UC interview www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=4291515RE: UC INTERVIEW My belief is that the shorts see the Green Baron interview as an indication that our filing is still further off. Which is logical. If the filing and susequent PRs were going to still take awhile, UC may have felt compelled to say SOMETHING to shareholders to keep us assured. I"m confident the interview will contain NOTHING new, will sound enthusiastic and will encourage shareholders to come meet management in Vegas. In the mean time, the shorts are likely well aware of this and now know they have a bit more time to jerk us around. I feel pretty comfortable that we won't see a filing or anything major by Monday. I'm still curious as hell though about CIM and whether it will ultimately merge with SGGM (which does NOT have to happen before the distribution - it can still happen after). All just guesswork but I believe fully in line with my plea not to expect anything by Monday. And now tht we are 2 weeks from Vegas with nothing, I'm expecting nothing prior to that as well. And if we get something substantive, I will be VERY pleasntly surprised. At least if we're still at .0002 by Vegas, people can grill Urban and Roger on this directly. Lordy, I can only IMAGINE the rumors that will come from Vegas if we are still at .0002. LOL Z
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Oct 21, 2004 22:49:52 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:49:52 GMT -5
zeninvestor: ONE MORE TIME (CIM & SGGM)
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:10/15/2004 2:46:46 PM Post #of 18018
ONE MORE TIME
Just a note to those still not aware of this, the record date on CIM has passed. Shorts CANNOT cover CIM by buying CMKX any more. THEY ARE LOCKED IN! THEY TOOK THE BAIT! Now when CIM comes out we will either get shares in CIM or, in my opinion, it will become SGGM through a reverse merger. And then they can cover through SGGM (except of course, they can't cover 40 billion shares with only 16M unrestricted in existence so that means .... ?). Now if the plan is to IPO CIM or become fully reporting for CIM, then the shorts can cover at that point (only that would mean awhile depending on how long the CIM process takes), but still they likely COULD NOT COVER 40 billion shares if CIM debuts as a tightly held (outside of restricted shares) company (and that means ... ?).
I don't know how all this will resolve itself but right now Urban and Roger OWN any shorts out there IMO because the CIM record date has already passed and SOMEONE's going to have to come up with CIM shares. That's fine as long as CIM is private but once it's not .... BIG dilemma for anyone short.
All IMO of course.
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Oct 21, 2004 22:50:20 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:50:20 GMT -5
zeninvestor: Shorts and UCAD
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:10/15/2004 2:27:26 PM
CONTINUED SHAKING ON UCAD
Looks to me like the shorts are continuing to shake for shares. After several days of pushing it up, they eased off the pedal and shifted gears, driving it down a bit. Probably no selloff from any shareholders and probably a bunch of buyers/traders jumping in ahead of the shorts IMO when they took it down. The forward split will be interesting because once we are back to $5 or so after the split, more retail buyers/traders will jump in and in front of the shorts again. Retail will avoid a $30 stock but would probably buy at $10 still. Pretty funny. Looks like as much as they might want to shake it, they still NEED SHARES. Of course, I won't be surprised if they try another suicide run on it to drive it below $10 but it should bounce quite nicely. UCAD looks positioned really, really, really well IMO and I still personally believe the shorts are a long way from covered yet. I think the majority of trades have been others (retail, traders) and my guess is that the actual covered ucad position so far is low. There just aren't that many shares in the float!
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Oct 21, 2004 22:50:46 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 22:50:46 GMT -5
Posted by: zeninvestor32
THE SYMPHONY IS BUILDING
Look at the people, one by one, that are coming to light with direct links to the empire Urban is building.
Roger Glenn - key partner at NY office of one of the nation's premier law firms, with particular specialization in mergers/acquisitions and private equity.
Rick Kusmirski - former Cameco project manager for Athabasca Basin (most successful Uranium project for Cameco), director of Carina, and surely behind the recent deal between CMKX and Carina for uranium in the Athabasca Basin. Current president of JNR which shares a VERY close relationship with IUC, a Lundin company.
Barry Rayment - former pres. and current director of Bema Gold and Arizona Star (both currently 49% owners with Placer Dome in one of the world's largest unmined gold/copper deposits requiring a $1.65 billion (yes that's correct) mining investment being put up by Placer). Now agreeing to consult for SGGM.
Jovan Silic - CMKX project geophysicist whose PhD thesis was TDEM data interpretation and serves as one of five partners in Flagstaff GeoConsultants, an Australian consulting agency with powerful links to WMC and BHP.
The list will continue to grow IMO. There are some powerful forces shaping up IMO. And there are some evil forces in the way still IMO. This is certainly getting interesting. I look forward to full resolution and clarity in the near future.
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