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Oct 20, 2004 19:47:54 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 19:47:54 GMT -5
IT IS WHAT OTHERS MISS THAT COUNTS « Thread started on: Jul 8th, 2004, 9:08pm » <br>Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:7/8/2004 6:20:39 PM Post #of 48212 IT IS WHAT OTHERS MISS THAT COUNTS. With the exception of those with (illegal) insider information, nobody makes BIG money in the markets by seeing what others already see. The REAL money is made by those that correctly see what others miss. If everyone saw it, it would already be reflected in the share price. Warren Buffett has made the vast majority of his fortune by wisely spotting trends/stocks/sectors to invest in when others didn't "see" what was so attractive. I believe the skeptics and naysayers are connecting the dots incorrectly. I believe I will be rewarded for spotting what others have missed and having the faith and guts to back my belief with my hard-earned money. I understand the risk that I may be wrong, but the great traders and investors of our time generally got in early and got in when others couldn't or didn't connect the dots correctly. Despite all the cloudiness and confusion I believe is being created by the shorts, I believe I'm correctly seeing through it and will be rewarded for this. For those that feel the same, good luck to us all. Z www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3514862
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Oct 20, 2004 20:14:11 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 20:14:11 GMT -5
zeninvestor: the share count is very, very low Latest by Zen at IHUB « Thread started on: Today at 1:22pm »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS IS WHY WE WAIT. First read this: www.ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB01219&read=34697Now, after reading that and being through what happened this week, I think it's safe to say that NOBODY knows what in the world is going on right now with respect to the share count except the company itself. The only thing I feel comfortable saying (still not 100% confirmed but my confidence level is high) is that CMKX decided to take away the share audit from ANY TA at this point and handle it on their own. Now, if in fact there was some forged certified letter or other false information played out, this is completely consistent with what I said. The shorts will be playing hardball and I said there would be some very trying, difficult days. Now at first, I was disappointed to hear that this was going in-house to handle the share count, considering I felt we needed a third party verification. But I think I have a better theory as to what is happening. I think the mechanical process of reviewing the books and determining the share count is pretty straightforward. What I believe CMKX will likely do (just my opinion, I have no knowledge of how they are actually handling this) is to assemble the time-consuming, mechanical process of inputting the numbers and ordering the files. They will in essence perform a self-audit. My belief is that when this is complete and everything is in order THEN they will hand this off probably in electronic form with the paper files to back it up to a third party TA who would merely have to corroborate the work done by CMKX to verify it -- a process I would guess is pretty quick. This makes sense. If they announce another TA at this stage, you can expect a similar fiasco with either longs calling incessantly or with the shorts again attempting to sabotage the TA's efforst (if in fact that happened the first time). So why even bother doing that. Get everything in order. THEN hand it off. From handoff to press release should be fairly quick at that stage. This theory has an additional benefit, and one I don't like to raise but is real. The security of those documents is paramount. If in fact that certified letter was a fake to Pacific, it may have become obvious to Roger and CMKX that we are dealing with people that may in fact try anything here. Those documents, records and files need to be safe and secure until everything is formalized (my guess is that Roger has probably ordered a backup copy of every single document to be filed away in an undisclosed highly secure location - that's what I would do as well). All this having been said, none of it surprises me. And while at first I was uncomfortable with the company handling the share audit, for all the reasons above, I now believe it is in the best interests of the company to take this in-house for now. One thing I would love to see (but is obviously up to Roger on whether it's worth handling this way) is that on the day of the share count press release, to see an SEC filing noting actual share count. Just a hope but we'll see if that happens. As all of this comes together, I truly am getting more and more excited. There are many theories floating around about share count. I have listened to them all. Based on everything I have seen and heard, it is my PERSONAL OPINION that the share count is very, very low. I am conservatively going to say 10 billion. Less than 5 billion would not surprise me at all. And based on all the difficulties we're having getting the records straightened out for a share count audit, I'd say the shorts likely know that that share count number is their death knell. It's what they have pinned all their bashing on up to this point. And when that argument is no longer available, they will try to turn to bashing the property itself. Somehow I get the feeling that the company will have a pretty quick answer on that count too. But it will be too late. Once that share count is released and if it's really as low as I suspect, nobody will CARE about the property as the short squeeze itself would be center stage. The company valuation would simply be gravy. And where does this all leave us. As I said, have a seat with some popcorn. Don't know when the movie will start but it will be spectacular to watch. I don't see a whole lot more due diligence that can be performed at this point. If it hasn't been pointed out by now, it likely isn't going to have any effect. You either understand all that is happening and believe it will go our way, or you don't. I do still strongly suspect more short/bashing efforts. We'll see how effective they are. For all the chaos this week, the stock was unmoved. I think there is a wall of buys at .0004 and .0003 that no short wants to have to sell through to make it worth their while. Those that need to sell some of their position to have "peace of mind" have done so or will do so. And that is fine. But it obviously hasn't been much, nor does anything seem to be inducing it (again, my "free rider" theory seems to be simply torching the shorts' ability to manipulate this stock further). So let's let the action unfold. Give the company time to square away every last detail. And whether the fireworks begin this week or next, July 4th probably is a fairly pivotal weekend. I think things will now comfortably begin shifting into the longs' camp as we go forward. We may be a part of history. I've never been more excited about a stock in my life. Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 20, 2004 20:28:01 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 20:28:01 GMT -5
Zen and Now « Thread started on: Jul 18th, 2004, 01:31am » <br>I like Zen, I've read all his posts and DD(to the best of my knowledge) and I agree for the most part with this one. However.....I feel he wrote this in frustration and the name calling seriously diminishes the credibility and impact of his pleas. With having said that I and perhaps some of you as well can understand the anger felt over other certain individuals seemingly going out of their way to sabotage timely events that MUST unfold on their on accord. Not forced or prodded but in due time as per Roger and Urbans wishes. Some of these "so called" shareholders have given us a black eye and shot themselves in the foot in their "rush to be first with the news." To me this is upsetting as well because they are messing with YOUR investment as well as MY investment and I take the financial arena very seriously. In all fairness this is shall we say part II of Zens post, written I believe with more clarity than the first. For those who have already seen this please read again. Thanks infolode Long, strong and patient ////////////////////////////////////////////////////// www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3586880ADDENDUM TO MY EARLIER POST. Well, I certainly knew it would be controversial but as I said from the start, I'm not here for a popularity contest. A few points of clarification after reading some responses: 1. I did not say Urban said anything inappropriate. In fact, in all likelihood, I believe he did NOT say anything wrong at all. His MP3 when he called in specifically referenced Roger's gag order and he obviously knew not to say anything. My issue is not with Urban having said anything, it is much more with some claiming he did (when he likely did not) and with details some seemed to directly or indirectly attribute to Urban. But that's why I believe having Urban there at all was simply wrong. Too much room for "interpretation" and we do know Urban is an overly social person (my concession to those who felt "windbag" was too harsh), especially when a supposed PR was to come out and now we are left twisting in the wind wondering if we'll get one before Monday. 2. I do agree that most everything posted or spoken through Paltalk was hearsay. And weak hearsay even at that. And none of it likely actually said by Urban. But with nearly 2 full days left of racing when I posted earlier, it sure felt appropriate to BE CERTAIN that if there were anything leaking that it stayed off the boards completely. I will not apologize EVER for making that point. I notice already not a lot of information coming in from Denver today. Is this a BAD thing that we simply wait for the official company PR to come out as it should be?? Let's enjoy the funny car, let Urban and Roger reveal information to us when appropriate and let's behave in a way consistent with a REAL investment that may actually change our lives. Can this really be an area where one could be TOO overcautious with so much at stake? To those that agree with me, thank you for your support. To those that don't, hopefully my true message at heart will sink in. CMKX is still a wonderful investment. Let's just be very, very, very, very careful. Yesterday appears to be no harm, no foul, but was still of great concern to me. Glad to see today (and hopefully tomorrow GO JEFF!!!) is calm, cool and much more responsible. Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 20, 2004 20:48:00 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 20:48:00 GMT -5
Posts: 1231 From Z « Thread started on: Jul 19th, 2004, 09:21am » <br>TEXT
Latest thoughts from Zen Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:7/18/2004 8:29:17 PM Post #of 55571
WHERE TO FROM HERE?
I will reiterate my earlier feelings. The market makers likely have clients (probably some very large hedge funds) who have now been served an official notice that August 20 is the first pain threshhold. This gives the market makers about 30 days to work their magic. These guys are pros. Their job now for their clients is to help their clients cover at the lowest price possible. They will now IMO control the ebb and flow of trading to facilitate this in the best way possible for their clients (additionally the MMs themselves are probably a bit worried about THEIR butts if this thing spirals out of control).
Accordingly, I expect still a lot of monkey business before we start seeing real pops. Agenda #1 from the MMs will IMO be to get the market to believe this news was "no big deal" and thus bait shareholders into selling. The bashing online will likely continue (albeit significantly weakened). I don't expect they will hold it down too long though since they know that literally any day OS could be realized and if it's low enough, it will put a sizable nail in their coffin. My guess is that Roger and Urban have many other signficant pieces of information that will "nudge" the market makers in the right direction should they try to stall out anything too long.
First area of interest will probably be .0005. Could be a 67% gain for many that bought at .0003 and a 400% gain returned to those that bought at .0001. I look for them to work that area as best they can. Next signficant area will obviously be .001 to .0012. A return to this area now puts EVERYONE that has bought in the last 60 days in the green. Many will want to take profits. TA "experts" will claim there will be a retracement (and there may be but only if the shorts decide it will be worth the risk). And many that bought on the recent downturn will want to lock in profits. Depending on how much more information is available to the public, there may be a signficant selloff at .001 simply because many people will want to lock in gains and are still in a "too good to be true" mentality. I look for them to test .001 considerably and possibly even try another rundown back to .0005. We'll see. Their time is limited. They just may not be able to do this.
After that, I have no idea how this will work. This is truly the first time I've ever seen a situation like this develop and I have no idea what to expect. Even the above is just guesswork. For all I know, we open at .001 tomorrow and never look back. But honestly, I expect the short position and MMs will act like the pros they are and work these next 30 days with an aggressive intensity to help their clients (and themselves) as best they can.
The market makers have one small advantage in this. Our fear and impatience just as always has been the case. Let's take someone that owns 10 million shares. Let's say this jumps to .005 next week. Well, hey, that's 50 grand!! Now let's say the MMs (who carefully monitor money flow and know precisely when buying has dipped and they can make a run) decide to drop it. Maybe even back down to .001. OH NO!!! My $50k is now $10k!! This feels terrible. But now when the stock eventually returns to .005, this shareholder is MUCH more in a frame of mind to "take 1/2 off the table just to be safe".
Ok, now let's ratchet the stakes up a bit. Let's say this thing gets to 5 cents! Now a shareholder with 10 million shares has 500 GRAND!!!! Buying momentarily dips, the MMs jump in and tank it back to a penny. OH MY GOD!!! MY 500 GRAND IS NOW 100 GRAND, OH PLEASE OH PLEASE GET BACK TO JUST 5 CENTS SO I CAN SELL. Do you see how this works? Do you see what is ahead?
The last 45 days have tested everyone's nerves. As the stakes increase, expect to be tested far greater than ever before. Right now, my guess is the MMs are mapping out their strategy. Whether it works or not, even they won't know. But they surely have a strategy IMO. One slight wrench in their plan of course is that more news from Urban/Roger could come at any minute. In fact, I expect it WILL come ... as "prods" and "pushes" are necessary to keep the MMs in line.
I personally don't expect much this week as I believe this first level of .0005 to .001 must be toyed with to see what's available here. But that's a full week out of the next 30 days that will be gone. Things should start picking up the pace after that IMO.
I'm excited. This will be fascinating. Today's PR IMO was truly the beginning. I believe this runs so much deeper than most anyone expects. The naked shorters literally finally got caught with their hand in a very serious cookie jar IMO. The penalty may take away a very, very, very significant percent of their profits through naked shorting over the past 8 years or so. As I said in an earlier post last week, I believe when this blows open, there will be a massive redistribution of wealth. I still believe that.
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Oct 20, 2004 20:49:47 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 20:49:47 GMT -5
Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None
Date:7/18/2004 8:29:17 PM Post #of 55581
WHERE TO FROM HERE? I will reiterate my earlier feelings. The market makers likely have clients (probably some very large hedge funds) who have now been served an official notice that August 20 is the first pain threshhold. This gives the market makers about 30 days to work their magic. These guys are pros. Their job now for their clients is to help their clients cover at the lowest price possible. They will now IMO control the ebb and flow of trading to facilitate this in the best way possible for their clients (additionally the MMs themselves are probably a bit worried about THEIR butts if this thing spirals out of control).
Accordingly, I expect still a lot of monkey business before we start seeing real pops. Agenda #1 from the MMs will IMO be to get the market to believe this news was "no big deal" and thus bait shareholders into selling. The bashing online will likely continue (albeit significantly weakened). I don't expect they will hold it down too long though since they know that literally any day OS could be realized and if it's low enough, it will put a sizable nail in their coffin. My guess is that Roger and Urban have many other signficant pieces of information that will "nudge" the market makers in the right direction should they try to stall out anything too long.
First area of interest will probably be .0005. Could be a 67% gain for many that bought at .0003 and a 400% gain returned to those that bought at .0001. I look for them to work that area as best they can. Next signficant area will obviously be .001 to .0012. A return to this area now puts EVERYONE that has bought in the last 60 days in the green. Many will want to take profits. TA "experts" will claim there will be a retracement (and there may be but only if the shorts decide it will be worth the risk). And many that bought on the recent downturn will want to lock in profits. Depending on how much more information is available to the public, there may be a signficant selloff at .001 simply because many people will want to lock in gains and are still in a "too good to be true" mentality. I look for them to test .001 considerably and possibly even try another rundown back to .0005. We'll see. Their time is limited. They just may not be able to do this.
After that, I have no idea how this will work. This is truly the first time I've ever seen a situation like this develop and I have no idea what to expect. Even the above is just guesswork. For all I know, we open at .001 tomorrow and never look back. But honestly, I expect the short position and MMs will act like the pros they are and work these next 30 days with an aggressive intensity to help their clients (and themselves) as best they can.
The market makers have one small advantage in this. Our fear and impatience just as always has been the case. Let's take someone that owns 10 million shares. Let's say this jumps to .005 next week. Well, hey, that's 50 grand!! Now let's say the MMs (who carefully monitor money flow and know precisely when buying has dipped and they can make a run) decide to drop it. Maybe even back down to .001. OH NO!!! My $50k is now $10k!! This feels terrible. But now when the stock eventually returns to .005, this shareholder is MUCH more in a frame of mind to "take 1/2 off the table just to be safe".
Ok, now let's ratchet the stakes up a bit. Let's say this thing gets to 5 cents! Now a shareholder with 10 million shares has 500 GRAND!!!! Buying momentarily dips, the MMs jump in and tank it back to a penny. OH MY GOD!!! MY 500 GRAND IS NOW 100 GRAND, OH PLEASE OH PLEASE GET BACK TO JUST 5 CENTS SO I CAN SELL. Do you see how this works? Do you see what is ahead?
The last 45 days have tested everyone's nerves. As the stakes increase, expect to be tested far greater than ever before. Right now, my guess is the MMs are mapping out their strategy. Whether it works or not, even they won't know. But they surely have a strategy IMO. One slight wrench in their plan of course is that more news from Urban/Roger could come at any minute. In fact, I expect it WILL come ... as "prods" and "pushes" are necessary to keep the MMs in line.
I personally don't expect much this week as I believe this first level of .0005 to .001 must be toyed with to see what's available here. But that's a full week out of the next 30 days that will be gone. Things should start picking up the pace after that IMO.
I'm excited. This will be fascinating. Today's PR IMO was truly the beginning. I believe this runs so much deeper than most anyone expects. The naked shorters literally finally got caught with their hand in a very serious cookie jar IMO. The penalty may take away a very, very, very significant percent of their profits through naked shorting over the past 8 years or so. As I said in an earlier post last week, I believe when this blows open, there will be a massive redistribution of wealth. I still believe that.
Z
As always, these are my personal opinions.
Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with.
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Oct 20, 2004 20:53:36 GMT -5
Post by fastwalker on Oct 20, 2004 20:53:36 GMT -5
;D Excellent ...set up AZ....got to go...be back soon to help...
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Oct 20, 2004 21:03:52 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 21:03:52 GMT -5
In reply to: None Date:7/23/2004 6:54:30 PM Post #of 61380
TWO POINTS TO MAKE
1. First some perspective. If all we suspect comes true, Urban will have pulled off one of the biggest financial coups in history, transforming from a .0004 stock to a mining force. Now for those that are impatient and want this to happen TOMORROW, I want to bring back some perspective. Roger signed on June 4 according to the PR. We are at July 23. I am IMPRESSED that we already have hard deadlines set for August 20 and August 31 on the dividends. This is moving at LIGHTNING, BREATHTAKING PACE. To those that are impatient and feel like the company is tortoise-like in its moves, I believe that the fact that all of this will likely conclude (or at least be mostly concluded) within a 3 month time frame from Roger's signing on is NOTHING SHORT OF ASTOUNDING. If we are right, we are talking about one of the most extraordinary, history-making, jaw-dropping events in the mining world and in the financial markets themselves. Everybody crying "why don't they just tell us the OS?" needs to step back and understand just HOW COMPLEX this behemoth of a puzzle is and how we simply MUST trust in Roger and Edwards Angell to handle this appropriately. The fact that we are going to have resolution within 3 months is a BARGAIN. It is FACT that we must have the OS by August 20 since they cannot place dividend shares in our account without the proper ratio (which can only be determined based on OS). PLEASE step back and take in some perspective whenever you feel like this is not moving quick enough. Relatively speaking, we are moving at LIGHT SPEED. Those that are not attorneys perhaps do not understand the inordinate amount of time necessary to document, research, back up, justify and support EVERY move that is being made here. Roger signed on June 4. It is now July 23rd. We should know the OS by August 20. Things should all be into place IMO by August 31. This is obviously not a one contract deal. There are obviously SIGNIFICANT pieces in place ALL of which must be addressed with time and great scrutiny. Please just keep the above in mind.
2. I STILL have a vehement disagreement with Urban being at these race events and in contact with shareholders. I am reluctantly resigned to acknoledging that this will simply be the way it is. That having been said, all I can say is to PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASEEEEEEEE remember what I posted before. None of this "Urban said" garbage. If you hear or see others do it, slap them. Qualify anything and everything from the race with IMO or "I believe" or any other appropriate disclaimers. Somebody please post this on RB so that others there can see it.
I have no idea when the next PR is coming but I suspect soon. August 20 is rapidly approaching and I suspect that we will find out more details about how all this will work on an expedited basis at this stage. Good luck to us all and to us making history.
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Oct 20, 2004 21:06:04 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 21:06:04 GMT -5
THE MASTER PLAN
There’s a lot to sort out here. And just when you think you’ve got a handle on things, one more variable pops into your head that sends it all spinning. Believe me, I won’t claim to understand everything that is happening. I’m going to take my best stab at this but please understand that we are trying to guess Roger and Urban’s master plan and that is obviously under wraps.
First things first. Where I was BEFORE this release. My belief was that Roger and Urban were going to divvy up CMKX’s rights and claims and transfer them all to other vehicles. Cleaner vehicles free of shorting. Basically I believed the plan was to effectively “gut” CMKX and transfer ownership of everything into many, many, many different vehicles. First I believed that Urban would distribute every claim piece by piece – gold, zinc, uranium, copper, oil/gas, potash, etc. Whether it was CIM or UCAD or another entity (possibly a partnership with DeBeers?), I believed that in the end one other company would “buy out” their only remaining rights – diamonds. Effectively this would have distributed all rights to us the shareholders across a broad base of dividends and effectively stairstepped the value of the company, and screwed the short position blow by blow until their complete capitulation with the diamond rights. And then the vehicle which bought the diamond rights would be the one to go public so that Urban continues to be king of diamonds. Anyway enough of that. Things change.
What have we learned from this PR?
Urban is indeed giving. He is giving up 40 billion shares and is refusing to take a dividend on them while refusing payment for them except when the mining is profitable. I think we will continue to see his “giving” nature.
Roger is not only on board but actively partaking in the company’s plan. I must stress that a partner of this level becoming intimately involved enough to take trips of this nature means Roger is not simply filing paperwork. No, he is ACTIVELY engaged in this process. This is bigger than many can imagine.
There was something of significant value on that aerial survey in those 500,000 acres. Otherwise, Urban wouldn’t be wasting his or our time on them. Remember that this is THE MOST ADVANCED, DETAILED SURVEY DONE ON THIS PROPERTY.
This release tells me NOTHING about the trading float. It tells me there are restricted shares. It tells me Urban owned at least 40 billion shares. It tells me there will be 35 billion shares paid over to Nevada Minerals (who is owned by cmkx and UCAD now (who by the way is owned 49% by CMKX) but more on this later). Still I’m left not knowing the trading float. And I think that’s for a reason (more on that too in a bit).
This release tells me that Urban and Roger are very acquisitive.
This release tells me there are so many pieces in place and remaining to be put in place that we need to sit back and watch it all unfold.
THE EMPIRE
For starters, I believe we are on the edge of an empire in mining. There are some that dismiss our mining claims as puffery or horse manure. I believe nothing could be further from the truth. I believe the aerial survey is not simply a “rough idea” of this area’s deposits. I believe it displayed loud and clear the most impressive array of mining rights and claims probably ever seen before. I think well find out more detail about these “anomalies” in due time, possibly with some drilling results contained in a secured warehouse : ) . But I believe Roger didn’t step into the ring for real until that survey was completed and it confirmed everything that was suspected about this property – namely that it may be one of, if not THE, wealthiest properties ever witnessed.
So how do you just one day build an empire. Do you wave a flag and say “Here we are!! Come and get us” Not really. It’s just not that simple. Particularly when DeBeers is probably flanking you with a potential assault and the hedge funds are slapping your stock price around like a ragdoll. Enter Roger Glenn. Now a master plan for the empire must be assembled. The shorts must be eliminated. An appropriate vehicle or vehicles must be established to handle an empire’s worth of operations. And quite frankly, a pink sheeted CMKX shorted into the ground ain’t gonna cut it!!
IMO what is now becoming more obvious with each release is that a collection of juniors are conglomerating to form a unified empire of rights and claims. UCAD is giving us half ownership of their company. Now we’re giving UCAD a piece of CMKX. We’re all acquiring Nevada Minerals. UCAD owns a majority interest in Juina. I’m guessing United Carina is not far off. I’m guessing Consolidated Pine Channel is not far off. Shane Resources too. Not so sure about Shore Gold but possible. When it’s all said and done, UCAD is looking like a very tasty vehicle to hold an awfully large percentage of our claims … if not perhaps all of them. And what better name for a North American major to be formed than UCAD … U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. So, my thoughts today are that this release is yet another step in the direction of bringing all intended claims under the fold of a separate entity. Nevada Minerals held a biggie. 500k acres. Yeah, that’s a monster, and I’m guessing based on the aerial survey, it’s a bigger monster than any of us expect. I think this release was CRITICAL in acquiring a piece of property of this potential value at this stage. It is all part of the plan to bring these companies and properties together as one.
What else is in store? My thoughts lead me to the PR on December 29, 2003 talking about 2 public companies looking to buyout certain rights and claims from CMKX. Supposedly those buyouts were to be done by the end of January but mysteriously they were put on hold. I believe it was around this time that the REAL plan was actually begun and the talks for any buyouts were scrapped until far greater pieces were in place. And now they are. What are these other claims to be bought out? My best guesses lead me to a buyout of our potash, uranium and oil/gas rights. Someone mentioned POT (NYSE) the other day. Maybe. Our area is also widely known as highly rich in uranium. Others have hinted at map claims that seem to indicate we hold uranium rights. I don’t doubt that uranium would be a wonderful right to sell off for a huge cash infusion given that it is probably so highly regulated I doubt anyone in this new company would care to deal with THAT particular element. And as for oil/gas, I’m guessing that would be another great right to sell off as it doesn’t seem to fit what is developing to be a “precious metals” profile. I’m sure there would be suitors aplenty for all of these rights.
Ok, so back to the PR. Yeah, what about that PR? I offer all of the above as reason enough to say that if you overanalyze this PR you will make yourself ill. There is clearly something MASSIVE going on here. You don’t do the corporate shuffle at this level unless you are bracing for something significant. Roger Glenn does not sit around late at night devising clever corporate ways to burn through Urban’s money just so that he can get his legal fees. No, this is part of a master plan. And if anyone here (including myself) is arrogant enough to think they can get it correct, they are idiots. All we can do is guess and try to keep our eye on the forest and not the trees. Still, a few trees are forming.
CON'T.
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Oct 20, 2004 21:06:31 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 21:06:31 GMT -5
INSIGHT #1: IMO we don’t know the OS yet because it wouldn’t do us any good. Anyone noticed how shares are flying back and forth fast and furious between companies? IMO until Urban has stopped giving, THE OS WILL NOT BE KNOWN. It does no good to release it today if it is going to restructure itself every other day. Just yesterday if they put out an OS release it would have read “The OS is X, with Urban owning Y.” Already that has changed. Pay attention to all the swapping going on. It’s incestuous! And until it all settles out and the landscape is clearer, I think we’re going to be waiting for that final OS. My guess is that by the CIM dividend, a LOT more things will have happened. It’s possible we may own many more companies by then. We may have cash dividends. We may receive more shares. We may give more shares. Who knows. Sit back and enjoy. It’s not very often you get to have front row seats to an empire being built IMO.
INSIGHT #2: We own 60% of Nevada Minerals now. UCAD owns 40%. We own 49%ish of UCAD after the dividend. Nevada Minerals owned 5 million shares of UCAD (29% of UCAD). UCAD owns 40 billion shares of us. Are you lost? I sure am. I’d need a degree in Calculus I think to figure out whether we even PAID for this 500k acre property. What I do know is that this property is dirt cheap when you factor in the fact that our right hand is feeding our left hand. What all of this is saying though is that we are becoming a more and more integrated unit with each release. And this is key.
INSIGHT #3: Urban is sending a very loud message to all shareholders. The same man that was retiring billions and billions of shares last year to help us is again helping us. He is paying for this with his shares, giving up his dividends, and refusing to take payment until the property turns a profit. All this horse pucky about Urban dumping on shareholders and diluting shareholders in the market is pure nonsense IMO. First off, he ain’t gonna be doing that in front of Roger or Roger would never have agreed to take him on as a client. And second, he is going out of his way to demonstrate time and again that he WANTS TO HELP US. I’m really believing that all the fanfare from the races about his giving nature is just simply true.
Ok, this is exhausting. The end game IMO is a simultaneous division and amalgamation of companies and claims. I believe the end game is to have at least one major holding company under which most claims will be held. I believe right now that vehicle is most likely UCAD. It is tightly held. Probably a near zero float. And if it continues to rise and stay above the $5 mark, I may start suspecting a nasdaq or nyse listing in the future (6-12 months from now? But maybe with a filing for listing earlier?). I believe though that Roger still has much more information to reveal to us before we see UCAD in its final form. CIM puzzles me a little. I’m not sure if they are simply planning on bringing it public as a zinc company or what. I don’t really have an answer as to that one. I do think we’ll sell some claims. That money may go into the company’s coffers to finance drilling and further acquisitions or it may turn into a cash dividend. I don’t know. Will De Beers join in on this dance? I don’t know. I do find it odd that they filed their corporate articles on May 28 and about 5 weeks later the listing was noted as DQ or in default. Peculiarly, another company using DeBeers’ very same transfer agent popped up within 48 hours of the DQ designation on July 6 under the name Crystalline Minerals (crystalline minerals being diamonds). Is this the entity with which DeBeers plans on doing something with CMKX? Who knows. Just guesswork.
In fact, it’s all guesswork. And that’s probably my final observation. I think there is just no way to know where or how the next move will be made. But I take great comfort in believing that law firms like EdwardsAngell don’t go to these lengths to a) hide a scam, b) cover up wrongdoings, c) get CMKX to the otcbb or d) to do anything for mere POTENTIAL claims. No I believe we are on the cusp of an empire. The pieces are being laid down methodically IMO. One by one, I believe questions will be answered. I also believe a LOT of this will NOT be understood. And that’s fine. Corporate law can be a huge, honking mess particularly when you are attempting to structure what may become a MASSIVE entity. Not everyone is a corporate attorney. And not everyone will understand every move. But again, see the forest instead of the trees. They are clearly pulling together a lot of resources from a lot of companies with a clear plan in mind.
My confidence level is back up over 90% (deductions still for Urban appearing at races – LOL). Jeez, anyone claiming scam at this point is barking in the wind. You just don’t assemble pieces like this unless something real is happening. Scams are hidden and secretive and usually accompanied by a ton of really fluffy press releases. We are seeing NONE of that any more. Straight forward. Dense. Meaty press releases. So dense in fact, that it’s nearly impossible to figure out the weight of each sentence.
Sorry this is so long. The above is all big, huge, flapping, gaping speculation. But I hope it gives some food for thought. They are my best effort at giving an overview of where I see things right now. Each successive PR has caught me offguard so it’s all subject to change once again. I am honestly more excited than I have ever been before. I think we’ll see many more pieces very soon. And I believe I will be in on the ground floor of an empire being built. This next sentence may hurt but it shouldn’t. I believe this may take a year. Don’t get scared. I just think that I’ll have the opportunity to exit in the near future (within a few months) at a massive profit. In fact, enough profit to possibly take care of me for the rest of my life. But I believe if I hang around a bit longer to see this empire reach its full potential, I believe I’ll be able to take care of my kids and their grandkids for the rest of their lives in addition to just myself. It may take a year, but that would be fine by me. That’s just my opinion.
As for the naked shorts, they simply can never survive this assault IMO. Ever. Whenever it is that they fold, good riddance. I think they are simply a bonus that has allowed us to enter at these absurd prices. Man did they ever get snookered. And pay for it royally they will IMO. But I’ve actually stopped caring about them much now. After today’s PR and when I really stopped to think about it, there’s much more going on here that is far more exciting than whenever it is that JEFF is going to get sledgehammered. Believe me I’ll be thrilled to see him go and it will be a great victory against an evil force in the market. But equally as important is watching a true empire take shape. Whether you’re in for 2 months, 6 months, or a year, I think this is going to be the most breathtaking, exhilarating experience you could ever hope to be a part of in the financial markets. I am stocking up on popcorn. Bigtime.
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Oct 20, 2004 21:08:43 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 20, 2004 21:08:43 GMT -5
THIS IS SIGNIFICANT From the Green Baron Report investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3666695"Last week The Green Baron Report forwarded a list of about 15 questions to be asked for an upcoming Green Baron webcast interview with CEO Urban Casavant. Although Urban expressed strong interest in conducting the webcast now, attorneys on his behalf have asked him to delay the interview until after the company becomes fully reporting. We will alert our members when we secure a firm date for the interview and its release." Hmmm. Straightforward press releases. An attorney refusing interviews for the company. Melvin no longer even commenting on any issues of significance. Not behaving like the standard pink sheet/otc any more is she? Which is no coincidence since other pinks/otc never (as least as far as I've seen) hire lawyers from top law firms. I can't remember who it was that said it but somebody on here astutely pointed out that promoters are the ones that are barking loudly about their claims while those that actually have hit paydirt are the ones that are quiet. The gag order in effect here speaks volumes. Refusing interviews speaks volumes. (By the way, thank god they are refusing interviews - it has taken cmkx awhile to get Melvin and Urban fully in the "mouths zipped" mode and I expect it will take awhile to coach Urban on how to respond to the media and analysts). I am pleased as punch that the Green Baron has said this. This confirms a lot for me. Nothing against the Green Baron but I stated before that I don't think we need some penny stock promoter interviewing Urban. I said if this stock has real value, we just don't need to be on that level any more. It is nice that those thoughts are being validated. 99% of other pinks/otcs jump at those opportunities. IMO we are about to rock.
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Oct 21, 2004 9:49:42 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 9:49:42 GMT -5
repost: JANICE SHELL CRUSHED BY ZENINVESTOR! (Basher REFUTED) Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:7/29/2004 9:58:43 PM Post #of 66102 OH AND BY THE WAY Despite the very loud claims to the contrary, we are now going on two months in which not a single "skeptic" has been able to provide to me a pink sheet or otc company that has hired attorneys on the level of Edwards Angell. Given that I repeatedly emphasized how unusual this is, you'd think their crack team of "researchers" would have followed through on refuting this by now. Ms. Shell made one effort that was promptly obliterated by my response and she then ceased to pursue this issue. (you can see my response at investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3364331 ). But the answer is no, they cannot find an example of a national, respected law firm of this caliber representing a pink sheet or otc. Because surely if they could have, they would have. (this challenge should keep them busy for the next week I figure) I've probably tracked over 1000 pennies in the last 10 years. I've never seen it ONCE. P.S.: Large, established companies that have fallen on hard times and were delisted from the naz, amex or nyse or voluntarily chose to become delisted do not count. I am only talking about companies that began on the otcbb and currently trade on the otcbb or pinks. Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with. www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3688409Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:6/17/2004 5:33:24 PM Post #of 66102 PROOF. CASE DISMISSED. With all the messages I was getting today questioning my posts, I figured I'd turn off my ignores and see what the big brouhaha is. Well, as it stands the first message I encountered was Ms. Shell's post below: www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3363995Now I am going to disassemble this post and show for once and for all how a basher operates. How they will twist and distort to make you question and distrust anything and everything. Then we can dismiss this basher (and her crony fung_derf) and everyone can be comfortable having them on ignore as I am about to demonstrate how THEY CAN NOT BE TRUSTED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. Amazing that Ms. Shell's claims to investigate these things so thoroughly when it took me all of 5 minutes to locate the information I needed to expose her fraudulent assertions. Ms. Shell proudly boasts that she has completely negated my point that pink sheets don't hire top-tier lawyers. How so? She found two companies on the pink sheets that had Roger Glenn as counsel. Let's dissect: planet411 is the first company. Ms. Shell terms this a pink sheet. Yet she failed to note that the document cited was from 1999. Where was planet411 at that time? Oh what's this? A press release from Netscape and planet411 back in 1999? What's that it says? Planet411 trades on the NASDAQ NATIONAL MARKET SYSTEM? Hmmmm. I guess Ms. Shell failed to notice that, being the sharp researcher she is. And I guess she is implying that a partner that took in a dot. com company listed on nasdaq back in the dot. com explosion days (1999-2000) should be avoided? Never mind that probably ever major securities partner during those two years in San Francisco and New York likely represented a dot. com on the nasdaq. That was kind of the future back then. But I digress. The bottom line is that Ms. Shell failed to research this company. She failed to note that Roger was counsel during a time when it was a nasdaq listed company. She fails to mention any of this because that's not her aim. Her aim is to confuse and distort. To make others believe she has found the holy grail to refute me. Well I think I just dropkicked her first point. Link: wp.netscape. com/newsref/pr/newsrelease742.html Brek Energy: Ms. Shell would ALSO have you believe that the second company she cited in her link is a pink sheet company. Oh it is. But back when Roger was counsel, if you'll read the document she cited, IT WAS A PROSPECTUS FOR AN OFFERING FOR BREK, A COMPANY LISTED ON THE NASDAQ NATIONAL MARKET SYSTEM. Need further proof? Here ya go: wp.netscape. com/newsref/pr/newsrelease742.html Notice that little paragraph about how it's listed on Nasdaq? Notice the date? Notice that date aligns with the exact document Janice cited. Notice how at this time, this was a nasdaq company and NOT the pink sheet she claims Roger represented. Wow, that's 0 for 2 for Ms. Shell. Not a terribly good researcher and a much worse investigator. Did Ms. Shell provide any evidence about WHEN Roger began or ended his representation for these companies? Did Ms. Shell provided any other companies since the only two she listed were Nasdaq companies? Is she trying to say that Roger's representation of Nasdaq companies is an issue? Maybe she thinks we shouldn't go to the Nasdaq? Fellow CMKXers, this is a case closed slam dunk tightly sealed presentation of exactly WHY I have had her on ignore for 2 weeks. All this time and THIS is the best evidence she could come up with to refute me? The only reason I did this is to show exactly WHAT the bashers do and why it is so WASTEFUL to even bother with them. Wow I'm impressed Ms. Shell. You proved that Roger was counsel to a Nasdaq-listed internet company during the dot. com craze when the internet companies were the most successful of all nasdaq companies. You proved that Roger handled a prospectus for an offering of an oil and gas company when it too was listed on Nasdaq. Congratulations, you proved that Roger represents companies that are listed on Nasdaq. Now watch, she will rebut with "and where are they now?" AGAIN ignoring the fact that 90% of all the internet companies back in '99 busted. As for Brek, it's oil & gas. I don't know it's history but BACK THEN it was a Nasdaq stock and frankly I don't care to take any more time to research it's history (I'm sure Janice will but she ain't much of a researcher now is she?) Anyway, case closed. Proof positive above that Janice and her cronies are not here to help. They are here to confuse and distort and manipulate. If you enjoy being confused, distorted, and manipulated based on shoddy research and bogus information, please continue to listen to her. I won't even go into her or Fung Derf's other juvenile attacks on me. It's just not worth any MORE of my time. Good day. They are back on ignore. If in the future anyone references me an email that has anything to do with what Janice or other bsahers assert, I will refuse to answer because, as you can see, it's NOT WORTH THE TIME. Thank you. Good night. Z
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Oct 21, 2004 9:53:27 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 9:53:27 GMT -5
TEXT zeninvestor: I LIKE THIS POST A LOT « Thread started on: Today at 4:11pm »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- zeninvestor: I LIKE THIS POST A LOT (a perfectly executed plan). Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:8/2/2004 3:14:57 PM Post #of 68467 I LIKE THIS POST A LOT. When you have a number of peripheral players that are all a part of the master plan, you don't benefit some and stick it to the others. You bring them all into the fold fairly and at the same level. THEN you can move the unit as a whole towards valuation. IMO the post below is excellent insight into Roger's strategic direction. www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3710450Z As always, these are my personal opinions. Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with. www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3710675Posted by: dmc In reply to: None Date:8/2/2004 2:53:05 PM Post #of 7683 its all about positioning all companies (and shareholders) involved are digging teir feet in right now, getting into position. A few more companies getting in are almost certain (which could explain lack of pps movement - everyone will get the oppurtunity to team with cmkx at these levels) After all posotioning is complete, news will come out that proves a valuation to all companies involved which is much much better than we are even hoping for. This truly is a perfectly executed plan. All in my opinion.
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Oct 21, 2004 9:54:07 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 9:54:07 GMT -5
Other words. Do not trust these BS reports on the O/S. zeninvestor: OS IS 689 MILLION!!!!!!!!! LOOK!!!!!! « Thread started on: Today at 9:30pm »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- zeninvestor: OS IS 689 MILLION!!!!!!!!! LOOK!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: zeninvestor32 In reply to: None Date:8/2/2004 9:33:11 PM Post #of 68747 OS IS 689 MILLION!!!!!!!!! LOOK!!!!!!!!!!! Go to www.nasdaq.com. Enter CMKX on the stock quotes. Now click on "Holdings/Insider" where it will show that 4 million shares held by institutions counts as .58% of the OS, which yields 689 Million as the true OS!!!!!!! Ok, folks. The above is actually available on nasdaq.com but we all know that the OS is not 689 million. My point is that Ms Shell and all her little basher friends running around saying "Oh me oh my, I would ALWAYS trust information posted on otcbb.com or nasdaq.com or other reliable sources like that" WILL MANIPULATE AND DISTORT ANY STATISTIC THEY CAN IN ANY WAY THEY CAN. I guess by that theory, we should trust that nasdaq.com couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong and rather than trust the assertions of all the bashers that our OS is 500 billion shares, we should instead listen to nasdaq.com, a trusted, reputable source for ACCURATE information and assume the OS is 689 million. BWWWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA If anyone in here SERIOUSLY believes that because it came from otcbb.com that it MUST be true and accurate, you SERIOUSLY need some help. So far, it seems the ONLY people that believe it are the bashers. Which leaves a bit of a catch-22: 1. Either everything posted on those sites is true and thus the 689 million OS count on nasdaq.com must be true. 2. Or everything on those sites is NOT true and the bashers have been lying, manipulating, distorting and deceiving all day. Well, which is it? ... Punk Anyone on here seriously hammering away that because it appears on otcbb.com, it is therefore true HAS DEMONSTRATED ONCE AGAIN VERY CLEARLY HOW THEY WILL GO TO ANY LENGTH TO DECEIVE. DISCLAIMER: I do not believe the 689 million OS count as purported by nasdaq.com is true. The above was simply a post to refute any RIDICULOUS claims that because any info appears on any particular website (outside of sec.gov or the company website) must mean it is true. We still don't know the OS or the trading float and until we do IMO EVERY claim to know the OS is simply a guess. Z
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Oct 21, 2004 9:59:46 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 9:59:46 GMT -5
From Z « Thread started on: Aug 6th, 2004, 9:40pm » <br>TEXT
On Sterling's Operation Dividend, I agree that it is over the top. In fact, I generally feel Sterling is over the top. But I have also found that there are usually great kernels of truth in there. You just have to dig. Sterling presents the ultimate optimist's view (for example he bases his dividend valuation on a UCAD share price of $15 whereas last I checked it was at $6). But if you scale it back, I think there are some truths in there that I can agree with. I do believe Urban is going to continue to load us up with dividends. This goes hand in hand with my original thesis that he would "gut" the company by parceling off all the rights and claims to various entities which we would end up owning a huge piece of. And then the shorts would be left short a company holding no claims PLUS they would be short all the dividends. Now THAT would be maximum pain. There is still some merit to this direction but I gravitate more these days towards the notion of much being folded into UCAD for a placement of them onto a larger exchange. We'll see what's right. Sterling is great food for thought. I respect him and appreciate him. I don't agree with everything but I think he presents a lot of ideas worth at least thinking about.
On a separate note, I will just say for many reasons that I believe next week's meeting with Roger Glenn will be far more important than anyone realizes.
And as for the bashers, IMO even in your wildest dreams I don't think you could have ever guessed how horrifyingly wrong you are about the future of CMKX.
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Oct 21, 2004 10:02:02 GMT -5
Post by azesm on Oct 21, 2004 10:02:02 GMT -5
Part one of two: "I HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE" by Zen (IHUB) « Thread started on: Today at 9:14pm »<br> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following is from Zeninvestor32 over at Investors Hub... I HAVE SOME INFORMATION TO SHARE My initial position on this information was "screw the short/bashers. they don't deserve to know this and I'd rather they be caught offguard if anything I have found out actually turns out true." Ultimately, given the bluntness of their attacks and my conviction today that this ball is rolling and cannot be stopped, I feel it in the best interests for me to share what I have uncovered with everyone. A few disclaimers first. EVERYTHING contained herein is public information that I have obtained by simple searches online. Just a lot of dot connecting with publicly available information. I've provided all the links. I have not been tipped off by anyone and, in fact, have seen every one of these companies below touched on by a post online at some point. (Oddly enough TSX Miner actually tipped off the big gun). Second, I have no idea if ANY of this has any actual connection to CMKX. I present it for you to evaluate and reach your own conclusions. Personally, I find it compelling. You may not. How you treat this information is up to you. I am just posting what I have found. Again, there could be ZERO connection to CMKX within. You decide how to interpret this info. I may have nailed this and, conversely, I may have found NOTHING of any relevance. Only time and formal PRs by the company will tell. Onwards we go. First things first, I've already mentioned that I have some suspicions of uranium being somehow involved here. From what I have uncovered, this region of Canada (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan) is one of, if not THE, richest uranium regions in the world. It is no surprise that Cameco, the #1 uranium producer in the world, is headquartered here. ( www.cameco.com ) I have always figured that if any rights were to be sold off, this would be a key one to sell because uranium is so highly specialized and regulated. I just didn't think it was something that Urban or any of his family probably would care to deal with. So that being the case, my first logical conclusion was any uranium producer in the area might be interested. That lead me naturally to Cameco. But that's a pretty big leap without some kind of tie. Now at the same time, I began looking more deeply into our Canadian JV partners wondering whether they had anything more to offer us than just some drilling money. I knew Rick Walker was involved in UCAD and also held officer positions at all three of our other JV partners (Carina, Pine, and Shane). So then I began dissecting all three of these JV partners knowing that something was obviously brewing with a merger of sorts. I mean, come on, Rick Walker is pres. of all 4 of our JV partners? Pretty obvious that SOMETHING was cooking. I just didn't (and don't) know what. But this lead me to look more closely at anyone else involved in those Canadian JV partners. I came up with Rick Kusmirski. He's the only other director (besides Walker) listed for United Carina. ( www.unitedcarina.com ) He is the only other director I could find for Consolidated Pine Channel outside of Rick Walker. ( www.jnrresources.com/s/ManagementProfile.asp ) Now a little background about Rick. He was the project manager for Cameco in their Athabasca Basin region exploration program. ( www.jnrresources.com/s/ManagementProfile.asp ) And he is the current President of JNR Resources which holds a JV agreement for uranium exploration in the Athabasca Basin region. Do minimal research on Athabasca Basin and you will find that it is considered probably the world's richest location for uranium. Number one. Naturally I saw something developing here. One of our chief guys among our Canadian JV partners wasn't just the exploration manager for Cameco, the #1 uranium producer in the world, he was their project manager for Cameco's #1 location -- the Athabasca Basin. I'd say this makes him what I would term a "heavy hitter" in the uranium business. And he is tightly woven into two of our Canadian JVs. I personally felt this was a pretty tight connection. But then I went further. I mentioned that Rick Kusmirski is also the president of JNR Resources (trading as JNN on the Vancouver Exchange). ( www.jnrresources.com ) JNR Resources has two prominent JVs with International Uranium Corporation (trading as IUC on the Toronto Exchange). Now things get interesting. Just two weeks ago, the President of IUC became a director on the board at JNR Resources. ( www.resourceworldmag.com/news.cfm?show=newsresults,quote&id=232388&pfmt=1 ) I would say this makes for a VERY tight connection between UIC and JNR. There are only 4 directors at JNR. And one is the president of UIC. Well, naturally, this led me to look further into what Hochstein and UIC might be bringing to the table. And that is when I was blown away. UIC is considered one of 11 corporations owned primarily by what are referred to as the Lundin Group. They are a multi-billion dollar family holding a collection of mineral and natural resource companies that leaves your mouth gaping. Here is a large PDF file that you can pull up all their information from ( www.intluranium.com/data/LundinGroupSummary.pdf ) UIC is one of their babies. And in fact, the largest shareholder of UIC is Adolf Lundin ( www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/uciuc.html ). Adolf Lundin in fact I found out is the senior Lundin that basically is president, chair, or director of practically all their holdings along with his sons Ian and Lukas. By the way, the Lundins also own Lundin-Petroleum ( www.lundin-petroleum.com ) should we have any oil/gas rights Urban wants to sell. Heck, the Lundins own a piece of just about every natural resource known to man (although conspicuously no diamond company). Now when I was doing my search on UIC, I came upon this link ( www.antenna.nl/wise/uranium/uciuc.html ) where I noticed that their US office was headquarted in Colorado. Hmmmm. Not far from Nevada. Wouldn't that be a coincidence if they too filed some kind of corporate articles at the same time as De Beers. So I checked the Nevada corporate listings and unfortunately found nothing. But thinking maybe they filed in the state they are headquartered in, I went ahead and checked Colorado. I did a search for Lundin. I pulled up Lundin Investments LLC. Articled filed on June 10, 2004. 2 weeks after De Beers filed in Nevada. One week after Roger joined CMKX. Be right back with part two.
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