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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 13:20:53 GMT -5
;D Hey Guys, a while back we…meaning a lot of members form this board…Bart, DW, IQ, SATURN, LQ, AZ ,stevpot99 and myself to name a few and many un-named others…. I apologize if I omitted your name… I’m certain there are many more, since the board and our post /pages / DD section has grown........But any way, started AGGRESSIVELY researching the “bread crumbs” or as DW referred to it…”following the money,” we did so, with the intention, as with other CMKXers, because we were curious about the source of funding for CMKX and more importantly, the direction is which the company was headed, given the “then “ aggressive development of relations by UC with JVs (Joint Venture) partners. Initially, the activities involving the aggressive courting and bonding of CMKX with various JV partners, appeared to some as just “happening out of the blue.” At least to many CMKXers that what it appeared to be…But then, Kenshin7……a fervent believer in CMKX… as am I , reminded me, during at least my initial research / questioning period, that UC had mentioned to “look at the past PRs for answers.” To that end, I first went into our DD section and found old PRs and then pulled from my favorites list, the following URL.... www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2002_Nov_27/ai_94659909Now, our members can visit the DD section and find the same PRs……additionally, since we have a “bunch” of pages filled with posts, an extended search through them will also reveal other tidbits of data /information. Rather than post the PRs, which will take up too much space, I would encourage members to review as part of their own DD, those highlighted extractions I have elected to post as “extract highlights” relevant to questions during our initial inquires of following the bread crumbs /money…. My first question, which was echoed by many on this and other boards was simple, where did this company come from that we are developing a relationship with? Did or has UC simply stumbled on it (them) or did UC have prior relations with the company(s)? To answer that question regarding the involvement with these newly seen company(s), I reviewed the PRs…and discovered that without a doubt there was a prior intent to develop “relations” with “other” companies. As specifically noted in one PR in particular, which addressed the “new companies”… “extract highlights”<br> “LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 7, 2003,” specifically within this paragraph…. CMKI, (now CMKX) as previously announced, plans on approving at its majority shareholder meeting a mandatory share and cash dividend policy. The share dividend policy reflects the Company's acquisition strategy that identifies undervalued take-over targets in mineral resource and related businesses. The Company is currently evaluating 7 companies each of whom will benefit from new managerial economic assessment, asset appraisals, accounting peer review and legal restructuring. Now the specifics (names, etc) were not known to the public (shareholders) at that time, but the “intent” by UC to develop a relationship with other companies that more..... ;D |
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 13:24:34 GMT -5
Continued….
would ultimately “enhance” the CMKX dynamics to be “a force to reckon with in the world of diamonds” was there, as early as Jan 7, 2003, at least on public record.
Why is it necessary to acquire /develop relations with other companies?
CMKI believes that its acquisition strategy, spearheaded by the Casavant Family, will require the addition of a seasoned management team.
(I assume, to be effective in positioning and growing the company...fastwalker)
First and foremost, any successful person in business will tell you, to successfully “grow” a business, you need to ensure you have surrounded yourself with the “tools” necessary to be successful. It’s common knowledge in business, that if you do not have personal knowledge on a specific aspect of your business, you hire someone who does, be it a full time employee, or an “as needed” consultant.
The question then why are these additional companies necessary to CMKX? That answer can be found in the following Business Wire PR….
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LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 27, 2002
Chairman Urban Casavant announced today that there are approximately eight (8) acquisitions of which all conclusive there is 1.9 million acres of mining claims which have been secured by CMKI in the world famous kimberlite area in the province of Saskatchewan, Canada, known as Fort a la Corne.
Having acquired these claims, UC must have felt that the area provided enormous potential..
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”Chairman Casavant stated, "Our mining claims surround the approximate 58,000 acres of Kensington & De Beers.” CMKI's geophysist has indicated that the quantity of diamonds in the Fort a la Corne area is expected range from 1.76 to 4.90 carats per ton.
His belief in it’s potential was further verified, at least to us the shareholders by his adding…<br>
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“It is a well known rumor in the area that De Beers tremendous expense of both time and money to go back private is a solid indication of the tremendous diamond wealth of the Fort a la Corne diamondnifrous kimberlites.
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" Chairman Casavant continued by saying, "We have not assessed the "Real Value" of the 1.9 million acres currently under our control. It is also believed that De Beers may have mines on there smaller parcel valued as much as $40 Billion USD to $80 Billion USD. Although there are no guarantees that the companies mineral yields will produce any such amounts-the likelihood definitely exists."
And finally , UC made a public statement as if to reaffirm his true feelings by adding..
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“Chairman Casavant went on to say, "If these projections are even remotely close, which we have reason to believe may very well be the case, then with the massive land coverage we have spent the last several years to tie-up at considerable
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 13:26:00 GMT -5
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expense, it only makes a whole lot of sense that the mines which may be discovered on our much larger properties will be a real force to reckon within the world of Diamonds. The Fort a la Corne area could very well be the most important diamond discovery of the century. CMKI has strategically planned more staked acreage than any of it's surrounding competitors."
Okay, so we addressed two questions on who and why CMKX was developing / acquiring “other” companies / JVs.
The next question that begs asking, is this a part of a “master plan,” as some have suggested? To answer that we simply review the PRs again and find…<br>
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Chairman Casavant further stated, "Upon completion of the business plan our auditors will prepare our proformas and forecast to be announced," and concluded by saying, "Our mining costs and specific drilling sites are confidential, as a measure of security to protect our shareholders interest. We are well aware that our costs are far below that of any of our competitors,
He went on to add… “extract highlights”<br>
“therefore one thing for certain is that the potential yield from these mining claims and it's profitability may be very exciting."
Is UC serious about his claims and his business, or is this simply a “get rich” quick scheme for him, his family and friends?
“extract highlights”<br>
"With regard to our existing board of directors," Chairman Casavant stated, "Make no mistake, we are currently interviewing worldwide notables to fill the remaining directors positions. In addition, we have commenced with organizing an executive board of directors in an effort to add credence and credibility to the existing board."
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Chairman Casavant is also proud to announce the appointment of world renowned economist, Mr. Mike King to the Executive Board. Mike King has written many analyst reports on several different mining companies in Canada, more specifically diamond mining companies, including the famous Mountain Province Mining Company. He is currently in the process of constructing a business plan for our core business, created as a result of all the drilling and excavation to be done.
With the infrastructure already in place i.e. roads, utilities, readily available manpower and other resources necessary for mining the diamonds, our company is fiercely competitive on a year-a-round production basis.
Another question that keeps popping up, are there really diamonds on our claims and what are we (UC) doing to get them out of the ground? To answer that we imply review the PR…<br>
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LAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 2, 2002
”Casavant Mining Kimberlite International Inc. “ (OTCBB:CMKI) announced today that it was bidding for the latest model truck mounted drilling rig.
The Company intends on purchasing the drilling rig following design and maintenance approval by the drill team project manager. The drilling rig and all related equipment (i.e. water truck, water tank, 3000 feet drilling capacity, onsite geologist office and living camp) will be relocated "turn-key" to the Company's
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 13:28:28 GMT -5
continued.... mineral claims which are located in proximity to the Fort a la Corne diamond fields in Saskatchewan, Canada. Has UC known all along, the potential of the area? “extract highlights”<br> For the past 10 years, the Fort a la Corne diamond fields have been the subject of joint exploration by De Beers Canada Exploration, Inc., Kennsington Resources Ltd., Cameco Corporation and UEM, Inc. To date, over $20 million (USD) has been spent testing 71 kimberlite bodies which have been described as world class diamondiferous kimberlite pipes. Question…who exactly is UEM, Inc? Are they still operating within the area? Will CMKX acquire them, or develop a relationship with them? Have we aggressively pursued all options open to us, to exploit our claim? “extract highlights”<br> The Company will use the latest in airborne and surface technologies to test for both magnetic and non-magnetic diamondiferous kimberlite fields using proprietary software. During this phase of exploration, the Company will identify those drill sites which evidence the best profile for diamondiferous kimberlite pipes. With over a 1,000,000 acres of claims, the Company will be able to minimize exploration costs while maximizing exploration results through the use of this state of the art technology. Further…<br> The new drilling rig will be used by the Company to test core samples in the diamondiferous kimberlite bodies evidencing the best software enhanced profiles. The core samples take anywhere from 3 to 5 drilling days to complete per hole depending upon set-up time and overburden thickness. The Company's claims are accessible by secondary roads but some rough-cut access routes will be necessary at more remote sites. To what depths will we drill? “extract highlights”<br> The depth of drilling will vary depending on overburden thickness with 250 to 350 feet being the norm in order to intersect diamondiferous kimberlite pipes. The Company previously announced that it intended on beginning core sampling by 1Q03, but with the new drilling rig in the field scheduling can be accelerated. Will we simply drill one hole? “extract highlights”<br> The core drilling will be in phases with 7 to 10 drill holes per month using one drilling rig with three shifts during a 24 hr. period. As additional drilling rigs become available, the Company will bring them on line with a Canadian Dollar drilling budget of $8,000,000. What will happen to the core samples? “extract highlights”<br> All core samples will be retained in the Company's secured warehouse facilities. The core will be sent to an independent laboratory for testing. more......  |
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 13:29:32 GMT -5
continued..... Why is that necessary to hold the core samples under lock and key? “extract highlights”<br> Under the terms of the Claims Purchase and Exploration Rights Agreement with Buckshot Holdings, Ltd. and Commando Holdings, Ltd. there is a 3% NPI royalty on any facetable gemstones discovered on the claims. Both Buckshot and Commando are companies managed by Urban Casavant and beneficially owned by his family. Results of the drill core sampling will be released immediately upon testing. The Company will announce the names and backgrounds of its geologists, drill team experts, and executive advisory members in future news releases. Are we exploring other resources on our claims? “extract highlights”<br> Urban Casavant, Chairman stated "we are a new breed of prospectors and miners. With a quantum leap in technology, both hardware and software, we have the necessary tools to quickly and cost effectively evaluate mineral claims. The bottom line is to find diamonds and other precious metals at minimum cost against the world market price. We can do that and our fellow junior mining company executives know that creating for us the perfect opportunity to capitalize on what we know for the benefit of our shareholders." Is that why we started with Juina and is this a planned roll up process? “extract highlights”<br> This is the first in many targeted acquisitions and roll-ups of existing diamond and other mineral resources companies. With a seasoned management team, high technology exploration methods that can better profile diamondiferous kimberlite pipes (both magnetic and non-magnetic), and on-line audit oversight of mining operations, Casavant Mining Kimberlite International is poised to take advantage of a consolidation of junior mining companies without losing focus on its core claims in Saskatchewan. Is CMKX working with market related agencies? “extract highlights”<br> CMKI (CMKX) will be contacting the broker-dealer and market maker community to request their cooperation in the shareholder audit. In this regard, CMKI has identified the following market-makers who are active in the Company's shares based on information obtained on January 6, 2003 at www.otc.bb.com, as follows: AGIS Aegis Capital Corp. BAMM Brokerage America, Inc. BMAS BMA Securities BPAT Baird, Patrick & Co., Inc. CLYN Carlin Equities Corp. DOMS Domestic Securities, Inc. FRAN Wm. V. Frankel & Co., Inc. GNET Globenet Securities, Inc. (1) GNLN Gunallen Financial, Inc. GVRC GVR Company LLC HILL Hill Thompson Magid, L.P. JEFF Jeffries & Company, Inc <………………………………………...ummm! LTCO Ladenburg, Thalman & Co., Inc. MAYF May Financial Corporation more....  |
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 13:37:15 GMT -5
continued.... MHMY M. H. Meyerson & Co., Inc. NAIB Global Partners Securities Inc. NATL National Securities Corporation NITE Knight Securities, L.P. PGON Paragon Capital Markets, Inc. PILL Phillip Louis Trading Corp. PRGM Program Trading Corp. PUGS Puglisi & Co. QUIN Park Financial Group, Inc. SCHB Schwab Capital Markets, L.P. SEAB Seabord Securities, Inc. TDCM T.D. Waterhouse Capital Markets VFIN Vfinance Investments, Inc. (1) Globenet Securities, Inc. was an active market maker during part of the trading day on January 6, 2003, but later "excused" itself from market making activities. Should we be concerned about NSS and if so Why? “extract highlights”<br> Under a naked short sale, short positions are not declared, shares are not borrowed to cover the short sale, and the shares are sold without delivering the stock to the purchaser. Real shareholder ownership is undermined by naked short sales of stock and failed deliveries of real certificates that artificially inflate ownership and devalue the price of the securities. Will future benefits be realized by acquiring / developing relations with other companies and or re-organization? “extract highlights”<br> CMKI (CMKX) believes that its shareholders and targeted company's shareholders will best benefit from a "cross-dividend" policy. For example, if CMKI acquires a new target company in an exchange of shares. Are we talking dividends of any viable significance and will everyone be treated equally. Or some lose out as a result of this activity? “extract highlights”<br> CMKI (CMKX) will pay its shareholders a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of shares exchanged with the new target company. The shareholders of the new target company will be treated with the same fairness and therefore will be entitled to receive a mandatory 8% dividend of the total number of CMKI shares exchanged with the new target company. Why involve other companies? “extract highlights”<br> Since the mining and mineral resources business is highly fragmented, CMKI believes that its acquisition strategy will provide a way to leverage its assets into a larger more diversified portfolio of companies. benefit of our shareholders." There is more, but this is what I came up with so far by simply reviewing the PRs...I used a Q&A (question and answer) format to address questions I specifically had regarding the CMKX EXPERIENCE. While this summary was based on simply the facts as presented in PRs and not in the manner in which I am accustomed to acquring information...it is nevertheless, a viable and credible presentation, with very little speculation... Conseqently, when viewing these posts, consider that I extracted information from known .."factual" sources and did not include my own opinions into what was being said / presented by the PRs... When I finish revamping the remainder of my research, I will post it..for other to comment on...again...these are not my specualtions, they are excerpts from PRs... DW..while the aliens didn't get me on my recent trip, I think that was because I spent more time with my computer reviewing the data, than wandering around area 51..lol.  Ok...here we go again..... Approximately 192,303 acres were successfully claimed by a numbered Saskatchewan company on behalf of the company which allows Casavant Mining mineral rights for two years for drilling and exploration. Who is this.... numbered Saskatchewan company on behalf of the company which allows Casavant Mining mineral rights for two years for drilling and exploration. Any guess... Plesa post your response at the end of this thread...thanks guys...FW “extract highlights” and question.... Under the terms of the Claims Purchase and Exploration Rights Agreement with Buckshot Holdings, Ltd. and Commando Holdings, Ltd. there is a 3% NPI royalty on any facetable gemstones discovered on the claims. Both Buckshot and Commando are companies managed by Urban Casavant and beneficially owned by his family. Question guys, aris / are these the companies that "allow" CMKX to have the mineral rights (2 years) on the claim(s) we are working...or is there another company(s) involved... Ok...this is interesting... Rendal Williams, CEO of UCAD, stated, "This is only the first purchase that the company expects to exercise as we move forward, increasing our holdings, asset base and ......wonder what he is talking about here..... "the acquisition of potentially high-revenue properties." |
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Post by trickwisco on Sept 18, 2004 15:22:53 GMT -5
Fast,
Great research!!
The only part I'm concerned about is the part about the Naked Short selling.
Should I be concerned that if this thing does go way up, I may be stuck with worthless shares?
I've owned most of my stock since about April-May 2004.
Any insight would be great.
Thanks again
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 16:11:58 GMT -5
Fast, Great research!! The only part I'm concerned about is the part about the Naked Short selling. Should I be concerned that if this thing does go way up, I may be stuck with worthless shares? I've owned most of my stock since about April-May 2004. Any insight would be great. Thanks again If you are with a reputable broker , I'm with Ameritrade and while they act stupid at times.. and make dumb mistakes, they seem to be honest. Any way, if you have placed your orders and they were executed and confirmation was made to you..even if it was electronically, you shouldn't have to concern yourself....As a precaution, always "print " paper copies of your treanscations...make sure that you include into the printing...the time and date..usually as with Ameritrade this information (time/date ) is located on the upper right hand corner of the web page... |
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Post by bradfrogger on Sept 18, 2004 18:33:50 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I did some research on UEM, Inc and found the following: UEM, Inc is a private corporation owned equally by Cameco Corp and COGEMA Resources, Inc of France. I found this info within a 1st quarter 2003 report (link below) for a public uranium exploration company called UEX Corp (T.EUX on the Tsx exchange). UEX Corp was formed under an agreement between Pioneer Metals Corp and Cameco Corp. The report contains a letter to EUX shareholders detailing several projects, including The Black Lake Uranium project. Diamond drilling of at least 4 holes at Black Lake in winter 2003 is mentioned. At the time of this letter, UEM held the Black Lake claims. UEM was formerly a German uranium mining company called Uranerz, and was acquired by Cameco in 1998. www.uex-corporation.com/i/pdf/2003FirstQuarter.pdfThis next link is to the news releases on UEX's site, and reading some of these releases, we can see that there has been a lot of drilling for diamonds going on under UEX, along with their uranium mining. www.uex-corporation.com/s/NewsReleases.aspThe answer to this one appears to be yes, as UEM is still part of the Fort à la Corne joint venture, along with Kensington Resources Ltd, Cameco Corp, and De Beers Canada Exploration Inc. Hmm.. interesting idea. The Fort à la Corne joint venture percentages are listed as: Kensington Resources Ltd. (42.25%), De Beers Canada Exploration Inc. (42.25%), Cameco Corporation (5.5%) and UEM Inc. (10% carried). Happy bread crumb hunting! Brad |
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 18:37:57 GMT -5
As outlined above major posturing was taking place with CMKX, during its early (and I hate to call it that) phase..As alluded to early the acquisition and or positioning of CMKX with JVs was essential from the get go...FW ;DLAS VEGAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 19, 2003 Casavant Mining Kimberlite International (Pink Sheets:CMKM) has reached an agreement for $900,000 in funding with three junior mining exploration companies. CMKI grants the options to United Carina Resources (CDNX-UCA-V) (www.unitedcarina.com), Consolidated Pine Channel Gold (CDNX-KPG-V) (www.pinechannel.com) and Shane Resources (CDNX-SEI-V) the right to acquire an undivided 10% interest each in 82 prospective claims held by the Company in consideration for the $900,000 in funding. The first $450,000 is due and payable on or before Dec. 31, 2003, and an additional $450,000 due and payable on or before Dec. 31, 2004. All three companies may accelerate the time in which the option price is to be paid. CMKI has first right of refusal to acquire up to a 49% interest in any property held individually by United Carina Resources, Consolidated Pine Channel Gold or Shane Resources, which is being or is to be explored for diamonds. Casavant Mining will use the funds advanced from the three companies to undertake work on the properties in accordance with programs recommended by qualified persons. "We are pleased to welcome these companies on board and look forward to a long and lasting relationship in this joint venture," said Urban Casavant. "This is a pivotal point for the Company and a very important step necessary for the development of these claims. This $900,000 in funding ensures that progress will remain steady and the Company is focused on moving forward." As we review this "plan" we see that elements of the "business plan" alluded to in an earlier PR is in fact shaping up...excuse me for taking this out PR out of context ..relevent how it transpired, but the validity of pointing out the "funding" was one of the initial parameters I established to research... FW |
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 18:46:05 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I did some research on UEM, Inc and found the following: UEM, Inc is a private corporation owned equally by Cameco Corp and COGEMA Resources, Inc of France. I found this info within a 1st quarter 2003 report (link below) for a public uranium exploration company called UEX Corp (T.EUX on the Tsx exchange). UEX Corp was formed under an agreement between Pioneer Metals Corp and Cameco Corp. The report contains a letter to EUX shareholders detailing several projects, including The Black Lake Uranium project. Diamond drilling of at least 4 holes at Black Lake in winter 2003 is mentioned. At the time of this letter, UEM held the Black Lake claims. UEM was formerly a German uranium mining company called Uranerz, and was acquired by Cameco in 1998. www.uex-corporation.com/i/pdf/2003FirstQuarter.pdfThis next link is to the news releases on UEX's site, and reading some of these releases, we can see that there has been a lot of drilling for diamonds going on under UEX, along with their uranium mining. www.uex-corporation.com/s/NewsReleases.aspThe answer to this one appears to be yes, as UEM is still part of the Fort à la Corne joint venture, along with Kensington Resources Ltd, Cameco Corp, and De Beers Canada Exploration Inc. Hmm.. interesting idea. The Fort à la Corne joint venture percentages are listed as: Kensington Resources Ltd. (42.25%), De Beers Canada Exploration Inc. (42.25%), Cameco Corporation (5.5%) and UEM Inc. (10% carried). Happy bread crumb hunting! Brad Thanks bradfrogger ;D excellent research for your first post and I especially like your insight, in that you have indicated you have postulated an idea, or at least an opinion in the works... when we step back and look at something..no matter how old or how much we think it has been analyzed, often times we discover that we have in fact missed something, which may or may not be of signifance.. But a very interesting aspect of your find...which I also discovered with some more DD, is the following.... data that has been slung around the web as so many people talked about the "ium" speculation... your find states ..... for a public uranium exploration company called UEX Corp (T.EUX on the Tsx exchange). UEX Corp was formed under an agreement between Pioneer Metals Corp and Cameco Corp. The report contains a letter to EUX shareholders detailing several projects, including The Black Lake Uranium project. Diamond drilling of at least 4 holes at Black Lake in winter 2003 is mentioned. At the time of this letter, UEM held the Black Lake claims. UEM was formerly a German uranium mining company called Uranerz, and was acquired by Cameco in 1998. Question would this little company be in a position to address, if needed CMKX's requirements for removing uranium? that being said , would DeBeers see this opportunity as simply money making and allow the partnership..? ;D What the heck...lets dig some more....since we can't mine diamonds right now..lets mine data...FW |
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Post by kenshin7 on Sept 18, 2004 23:19:54 GMT -5
great post fastwalker , really good .. d d to pull out of the prs and format into one reading  yes and its been a long day just got in |
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 18, 2004 23:33:34 GMT -5
;D had to do something too many questions being asked an a lot of BS hype needed to be addressed... thanks... bet you are beat... |
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 19, 2004 0:54:44 GMT -5
More questions are coming out...consider the following and if you can..assist in finding the answer... "While continuing to focus on Fort a la Corne, CMKI is remaining proactive in expanding their asset base through target acquisition elsewhere in Canada. " Q"where else in Canada is CMKX looking to increase their asset base? A small-scale exploration program has now commenced looking at the geochemistry of heavy mineral samples obtained from a very promising and poorly developed target area. Q: What small scale exploration program are they referring to...and exactly what consistutes " heavy metal samples? and finally..where is that poorly developed target area? Negotiations are currently underway with claim holders, and once agreements are in place and geochemical data is available, further information will be released. Q: have we received this agreement and or geochemical data yet? Is it in fact the area we are in now, or some other area yet to be announced? Ok Guys need some help....but may be first thing tomorrow..g'night all.... FW
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Post by fastwalker on Sept 19, 2004 14:27:52 GMT -5
More on the company we keep in Canada... source:http://cmkx.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1095611081 Shore Gold DOES work with us! Proof.... « Thread started on: Today at 11:24am » <br> From SHANE RESOURCES Filing, SHORE GOLD CONNECTION. Go here, click on "view this public company's documents", and read the Aug. 23rd 2004 MD&A! MONROE LAKE SECTION..Shore Gold info is there! www.sedar.com/DisplayProfile.do?lang=EN&issuerType=03&issuerNo=00004138 Re: Shore Gold DOES work with us! Proof.... « Reply #1 on: Today at 2:05pm » <br> Now this was an excellent DD work up...when reviewing the documnets in question, focus on the "Sourround Project, Saskatchewan" which indicates... Pursuant to an agreement dated September 18,2003 with Casavant Mining Kinberlite International (CMKI) , the company will have an option to earn 10% interest in 82 claims in the Fort a la Corne area...more..go there and read it... 8-)FW-) |
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